AV (Absolute Virtue) in today's MMO's possible?

[mekia]

Hello,


everyone is bitching at XIV ARR for being to easy etc. I wonder would bosses like AV (Absolute Virtue 3 years undefeated) or PW (Pandamonium Warden) work these days? Or is that so unthinkable to do these days where people want everything done fast and bitch at the slightest bumb in the road.

I think Vrtra was also undefeated for a long time.

[Ikkenoe]

Most of the people wanting things like AV in this game never actually wasted days of their life throwing themselves at it @75 cap.

Most of the people complaining this game is too easy haven't set foot in Binding Coil, much less beaten Titan.

Take my words how you will.

[mekia]

Most of the people wanting things like AV in this game never actually wasted days of their life throwing themselves at it @75 cap.

Most of the people complaining this game is too easy haven't set foot in Binding Coil, much less beaten Titan.

Take my words how you will.

Oh i agree with you, but think of it. If SE would add a Boss with the next expansion that would be so hard or have such weird mechanics that it won't be defeated for Month or Years. How would the "new" generation of MMO player's react. Since most of the player's who remember the 75cap are in the late 20s or early 30s.

[Duelle]

I hated the concept of AV, moreso than I hated pre-nerf C'thun (which was mathematically impossible to beat). Unless you want to have FFXIV make yahoo news after another 19-hour fiasco, we're better off without it.

[Furio]

Yeah, because AV was "hard".

SE:
"Let's make a mind numbing fight where the boss has zillions of HP, one-shot-kills-all abilities and about 2000 bugs. That should keep them morons busy until we decide it's time for a ninja-fix so it can actually be done without exploiting BLM range"

AV hard...

[coldreactive]

Most of the people wanting things like AV in this game never actually wasted days of their life throwing themselves at it @75 cap.

Most of the people complaining this game is too easy haven't set foot in Binding Coil, much less beaten Titan.

Take my words how you will.

Guessing you mean HM Titan? I've beaten the entire game up to Ifrit HM (Haven't tried him yet. Too busy leveling crafters / etc.) I'll admit, Ultima Weapon was pretty easy. Especially with a Succor spamming Scholar and Bard MP Song. (Which basically is like the Hydaelin healspam at certain points.)

[Shioban]

I may be understanding this wrong, but 'time' doesn't attest to difficulty.

I'd prefer a 10-15 minute fight that had me on the edge of my seat in concentration, than pressing macros for 6 hours in the hope that the boss might drop dead before undo of boredom. It's not because "I'm a casual bitch", its just not entertaining anymore to fight the same thing for hours on end with virtually no challenge. I'd say I've enjoyed the primal fights in XIV do far the most, the requirement for teamwork and planning is what I was looking for in this game after playong XI.

Don't get me wrong, some of the difficult content in XI was amazing, but it just doesn't fit anymore in terms of the length of time it took.

Guessing you mean HM Titan? I've beaten the entire game up to Ifrit HM (Haven't tried him yet. Too busy leveling crafters / etc.) I'll admit, Ultima Weapon was pretty easy. Especially with a Succor spamming Scholar and Bard MP Song. (Which basically is like the Hydaelin healspam at certain points.)

Just wait till you see, Titan really does test you on your ability to dodge whilst maintaining a normal rotation. It's really the first major road block we encountered besides relearning Garuda.

[Furio]

I'll admit, Ultima Weapon was pretty easy.

and "hard mode" ifrit, titan and garuda weren't? AK wasn't? Cmon... these fights are being pugged for Christ's sake. Personally, I think that's unacceptable. I honestly doubt we will ever receive challenging content in this game. I might be mistaking, but I think it has to do with the pretty large player base of joypad users.

[Fensfield]

If only. While I think Absolute Virtue may have been a bit cheap given it was systemically unbeatable so far as I know..

I think all MMO's should have legendary challenges. And I mean legendary in the sense that everybody knows about them and dreams of being one of the people to beat them, despite that being rare in the extreme. Maybe even 'once it's been beaten it stays beaten' extreme.

So.. yeah, if only. I really hope it is possible.

[Ikkenoe]

and "hard mode" ifrit, titan and garuda weren't?

If they were all so easy, where is your relic? It seems a bit like you've done Ifrit and assume everything else is more of the same.

(For the record, I do consider getting relic to be a bit too easy, but I'm not sure you're in a position to judge)

I honestly doubt we will ever receive challenging content in this game.

Oh, okay. Please tell us about your progress in Binding Coil. How do you feel about turns 4 and 5 specifically?

I can't tell if your post is satire or you're just unwittingly underscoring the precise phenomenon I addressed in the second part of my first post.