IMO, Titan HM is the most poorly planned progression point in the game right now

[Prototype909]

Reasons

1) No incentive to re-run it. Once you beat Titan HM you're done. You probably have advanced your relic quest to this point by now and thus Titan's drops mean nothing to you. You no longer have to care because Titan's drops are outclassed in every way by Relic.

2) The duty finder set-up for it demands perfect gear from DPS, the second tank has no responsibilities like they do in Ifrit or Garuda and are just chaff that inhibits the potential ability to win. Also add in the above point where you basically wind up with a situation where nobody in your duty finder group will have cleared the fight in all likelihood. You wind up in this Loser-Hell with all the people who are effectively brickwalled by the fight.

The result? A fight nobody wants to do unless they need it still and close to literal inability to progress through it in duty finder in most cases. Yeah, I'm bitter.

[Addicted]

You're right in saying that having a second tank is a complete waste of DPS and it servers no purpose. I have no clue what they were thinking, especially since the fight from the heart onwards is a DPS check.

However, I find the first point to be wrong. First, you get a relic for one job out of 9. The other 8 jobs would still benefit greatly from a Titan weapon. The drops are far from useless.

[Yavi]

You're right in saying that having a second tank is a complete waste of DPS and it servers no purpose. I have no clue what they were thinking, especially since the fight from the heart onwards is a DPS check.

However, I find the first point to be wrong. First, you get a relic for one job out of 9. The other 8 jobs would still benefit greatly from a Titan weapon. The drops are far from useless.

You can do the relic quest for all 9 jobs, so by the time your second job is able to fight Titan properly you've likely advanced the quest that far again. His point is very correct and valid. Titan HM is the single worst progression fight I've ever seen in any mmo.

[antiviolence]

However, I find the first point to be wrong. First, you get a relic for one job out of 9. The other 8 jobs would still benefit greatly from a Titan weapon. The drops are far from useless.

I have to disagree. As the current game stands, there will be far too little people who would bother to level another job, farm over 5130 tomestones of philosophy (that's almost 65 AK runs if your other job does not share equip) and farm Ifrit/Garuda till a weapon drops then head over to Titan. Then another 900 tomestones (which is another 11-12 runs) to complete your relic.

Oh god.

[Unaki]

I have to disagree. As the current game stands, there will be far too little people who would bother to level another job, farm over 5130 tomestones of philosophy (that's almost 65 AK runs if your other job does not share equip) and farm Ifrit/Garuda till a weapon drops then head over to Titan. Then another 900 tomestones (which is another 11-12 runs) to complete your relic.

Oh god.

They said the same thing about 11 in its infancy. The majority of the playerbase pre-abyssea actually leveled more than 10 jobs to 75. Your argument is invalid.

[antiviolence]

They said the same thing about 11 in its infancy. The majority of the playerbase pre-abyssea actually leveled more than 10 jobs to 75. Your argument is invalid.

This isn't 11. Your argument is just as invalid. Thank you.

[KimimiAvesta]

They said the same thing about 11 in its infancy. The majority of the playerbase pre-abyssea actually leveled more than 10 jobs to 75. Your argument is invalid.

FFXI's infancy was around a decade ago. MMO's have changed a lot since then, as have the expectations players have of them.

Excessive grinding for the sake of grinding belongs in one of two places:
1) The past
2) Bad Korean/Chinese F2P MMOs.

[Monzcarro]

They said the same thing about 11 in its infancy. The majority of the playerbase pre-abyssea actually leveled more than 10 jobs to 75. Your argument is invalid.

Cite please.

[GilbertLapine]

They said the same thing about 11 in its infancy. The majority of the playerbase pre-abyssea actually leveled more than 10 jobs to 75. Your argument is invalid.

Anecdotal. Cite it or it didn't happen.

[Suirieko]

I have to disagree. As the current game stands, there will be far too little people who would bother to level another job, farm over 5130 tomestones of philosophy (that's almost 65 AK runs if your other job does not share equip) and farm Ifrit/Garuda till a weapon drops then head over to Titan. Then another 900 tomestones (which is another 11-12 runs) to complete your relic.

Oh god.

Actually most people DO bother to level more than one jobs, and you'd have a much better experience doing this anyway.