Stats are more broken than we thought

[KaedrianLiang]

This is mine so far, I'm getting tired so I think I'll leave it for now, cuse as far as im concerned there is an "attempt" that stats do something but like Yoshi said its so complex and messed up it doesnt feel like a big change. And its getting scrapped anyway so who will care about this stuff soon!

I'm Rank 32 - I didnt change my stats or gear or use any skills only Light Shot and Cure to keep myself alive
10 Mobs per Bow. - Mob: 30-34 Squirrels in Muntuy.
Rk 1 - Weathered - 20687 - 2% Durability Decrease
Rk 34 - Cavalry - 22113 - 5% Durability Decrease
Rk 47 - Crab Bow - 23458 - 7% Durability Decrease

Damage Average
- Weathered, about 170-200 a hit
- Cavalry, about 200-250 a hit
- Crab Bow, About 200-250 a hit (maybe due to not optimal?)


Random - Algoat Bill rank 34 - Tested on CrabBow
Rk 3 - Bronze Arrows did 160-170 a hit
Rk 42 - Blue Coral Arrow did 120-130 a hit
Was surprised by this, could be because I'm not optimal but the damage LOWERED :O unlike the optimal/unoptimal bows which increased. I figured, Maybe due to over levelled bow? Switched to Weathered to receive worse results (Same mob lv and Algoat again)
Rk 3 - Bronze Arrows did 120-130
Rk 42 - Blue Coral Arrow did 80-90

Misc
- Weakened makes no difference on damage dealt or taken. Think this might have been known tho haha

Don't Coral arrows also apply water damage? like instead of 100% projectile its something like 80% projectile 20% water?

[Elexia]

70% Projectile and 30% Water, however that doesn't degrade the damage itself unless you're fighting a fish, crab or water elemental, things strong vs water.

[Elkwood]

I was just doing Ureus with my LS and for fun I decided to use a weathered shortbow and warped arrows over my crab bow + silver arrows. The result? I did the exact same damage to him with autoattack and weapon skills, and had the EXACT same accuracy. That is completely insane, weatered shortbow has 32 attack and 96 accuracy, while a crab bow has 127 attack and 165 accuracy.

Stats are doing pretty much NOTHING in this game! How is it that bad? I thought it was bad, but I didn't know it was this bad! X_X

Food also does nothing, I eat a meat miqabob and my damage stays the exact same.

The only food that really works is Acc Food, Mag Food, and Crafting Food

[viion]

Not surprising, since using gear higher than your level is generally worse than using something at your level. you can even see that its not giving teh right stats in the stat screen, and decide which is actually more effective when used.

Non optimal is fail, we have known that for some time, though usually if your close, its not so bad.

but even from your data, the bow is substantially more effective damage, and versus an actual high defense mob, i bet the damage would be even more noticeable.

now why did the level 22 mob show no results? probably because your base attack is completely effective.
As far as brew, this is apparently from research some new buff item which buffs all your stats, most notably, your actual stats, which are directly used in weaponskill calculations.

heres what ffxiah says


* HP +999 (not confirmed)
* MP +999 (not confirmed)
* Store TP +999 (not confirmed)
* Strength +999
* Dexterity +999
* Agility +999
* Vitality +999
* Intelligence +999
* Mind +999
* Charisma +999
* HP recovered while healing +999 (not confirmed)
* MP recovered while healing +999 (not confirmed)
* Attack +999
* Accuracy +999
* Defense +999
* Evasion +999
* Regen +300/tic
* Refresh +300/tic


the noticeable thing there is teh boost to your strength, which increases your max/minimum damage, and attack determines how much the defense effects your max/minimum damage. Also weapon skills have their own modifiers based more directly on your Stats then your attck, this has been known for some time.

Basically my educated guess says that the reason you arent seeing much difference in attack on some monsters is because you have already overcome thier defense, and since the effect of str is capped in this game (from what people say) you have no way to increase your damage beyond a certain point.

Here you go: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Transcendency

by the way when I used Crab bow over my Optimal bow, my Attack was higher in my stats screen (which is obvious it mostly is with any weapon, even armor)

You can defend it all you want but just go test it for yourself. its even been confirmed by Yoshi stats are broken so why you trying to defend something that is officially broken?

[Cairdeas]

Here you go: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Transcendency

by the way when I used Crab bow over my Optimal bow, my Attack was higher in my stats screen (which is obvious it mostly is with any weapon, even armor)

You can defend it all you want but just go test it for yourself. its even been confirmed by Yoshi stats are broken so why you trying to defend something that is officially broken?

FFXIclopedia moved to GamerEscape in case you didn't get the memo.
http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Transcendency

[Nephera]

Conclusions: Pick your favorite bow model and go with that, and never use expensive arrows.

[Ragz]

From my experience, Stats (STR DEX) do absolutely nothing, however Att and Acc does matter, alot. With Crab Bow +2, I do about 24 on Ura with wrapped, 28 with silver and 31 with red coral (rough average with no critical, no BR). It is very noticable.

[Physic]

Here you go: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Transcendency

by the way when I used Crab bow over my Optimal bow, my Attack was higher in my stats screen (which is obvious it mostly is with any weapon, even armor)

You can defend it all you want but just go test it for yourself. its even been confirmed by Yoshi stats are broken so why you trying to defend something that is officially broken?

uh the info you showed, unless im reading it wrong shows you get better damage with a higher level bow. the crab bow you are too far from to actually get a real increase in stats, if you look you ll see that your real attack doesnt usually beat something thats the right level, it may beat somethings thats drastically lower, but its almost never better than something your close to your level.


level 41 pug
attack on level 42 bagnjacks in description 127 actual when equiped at 41, 118 (-2 from attack earings, so really 116)
attack on level 39 himantes in description 120 actual

just by being 1 level off i lose 11 attack, which puts it behind a level 39 weapon by 4 attack.
Its totally logical your findings,
you notice a damage increase of about 40 using something that is almost optimal, and almost no increase, as compared to whats close to optimal for you.

you prove that the weapon does matter, and that optimal ranks work as intended and people should in general equip something that is optimal or below, as long as it isnt extremely far.

As to the transcendednt item, it isnt the attack that is boosting thier damage insanely, it is the strength, the effect of strength vs vit in ffxi has no cap. and weapon skills use stat modifiers for thier damage, the attack is still only a check on the monsters defense. your max damage and your weaponskill damage is more effected by your attribute modifiers for that specific weapon skill.


but that is XI science, this games science is still fairly unknown.
Yoshida said that the math was hard to understand, that doesnt mean its broken, it just means its complex, he is saying he wants to make it easier to understand for players, because players didnt understand it. I guarantee you that theres a formula that can tell you what your damage is based on your rank, your attack and your strength, and what skill you are using, it may not be intuitive, but neither was XI especially with weapon skill attributes.

all that aside your data proves that attack does work.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...g?t=1304344074

notice that although in the weapon description in the right side it says that it gives 127 attack, in the right side with my actual attack it shows 118, and thats with +2 attack from my neckpeice. and this is just from being one level under optimal.
my level 39 weapon is better even though im 41. trust that this is usually the case with using gear that is not optimal, it gets way worse if it isnt favored.

[Kurokikaze]

OP Welcome to 5 months ago.