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  1. #41
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    The screenshots proved his point unarguably. The only real thing that affects your dmg in this game is the difference in rank between u and the monster. If that wasnt the case then why do all melee weapons besides hand to hand hand very little dif in attack should a 1hand sword have the same attk as a 2hand GAXE nope but it does. Hopefully SE fixes this crap w/ the battle adjustments and auto attack. The previous developers where so out of touch its mind boggling. Over the past few days i have be removing and adjusting my stats in different ways to test THM builds and sadly all u need to be a good THM is all your points put into VIT and MND. the returns on allocating stats to str int dex and somewhat pie are so miniscule. It even appears to me my MAR functions just as well w/ the same allocations as my THM which should not be the case. Pumping STR DEX/VIT doesnt seem to show any noticable difference to me at this point im thinking all jobs should just cap VIT/MND and whtever else into str/dex if it even matters lol. Has the forum reps even responded to a post about stat allocation and effectiveness before??? if not someone make one w/ a DEV tag.
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    yall are testing the attack stat versus low defense monsters, in ffxi, attack went against defense, and if you overcame the defense you saw no difference, im sure the same applies here.
    BTW some mobs have neglible defense, like goats, gnats, imps, other mobs have high defense, like crabs, test attack versus crabs which are the same level or higher than you.
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    Anyone want to buy a Crab Bow+3 before this info gets more widespread ><
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd View Post
    Anyone want to buy a Crab Bow+3 before this info gets more widespread ><
    LOL :X Also why aren't you on FF14!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    yall are testing the attack stat versus low defense monsters, in ffxi, attack went against defense, and if you overcame the defense you saw no difference, im sure the same applies here.
    BTW some mobs have neglible defense, like goats, gnats, imps, other mobs have high defense, like crabs, test attack versus crabs which are the same level or higher than you.
    thats not how it works, its done in %, look up brew videos on you tube.
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    Hmm...well thats not cool at all. Now I really cant wait for the new battle system...how could something like stat effects not be in game at this point x_x

    So what about if you get a str down debuff?
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  7. #47
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    le sigh, i see people never realized how attack worked in ffxi, meat is useless if you overcome the mobs defense.

    attack is your ability to pierce defense, not your ability to do damage, it doesnt matter if its 90000 or 10 if the opponents defense is 9.

    goats have crappy defense and high hp, they are soft targets, they major in doing damage. know thy enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by viion View Post
    thats not how it works, its done in %, look up brew videos on you tube.
    once you hit went over a certain value for attack you see no gains is the point, i know this because i tested it extensively, boosting 12 times was useless versus most mobs, but versus demons in dynamis, it was effective, because thier defense was high.

    the point isnt the formula, the point is more attack is only useful if the monster has defense, once your attack overcomes defense, it is useless as a stat.

    to truely see if it has no value, the test needs to be against high defense mobs.
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    once you hit went over a certain value for attack you see no gains is the point, i know this because i tested it extensively, boosting 12 times was useless versus most mobs, but versus demons in dynamis, it was effective, because thier defense was high.

    the point isnt the formula, the point is more attack is only useful if the monster has defense, once your attack overcomes defense, it is useless as a stat.

    to truely see if it has no value, the test needs to be against high defense mobs.
    Um... Again go look up on youtube ffxi brews. You will notice the difference of 999 stats compared to 450 or w/e you usually have. Its the difference between doing 1k weapon skills or doing 9k weapon skills.
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    Even then Brews don't max you out in Magic Attack/Accuracy. It pushes it very high but it's no where near max. It does show though, how horribly some WS's were designed, for example DRK's Scythe WSs even while brewed barely did more than 5k dmg, however others, especially crit based, were hitting in the 8,000+ non elemental.
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