Healing and you!

[RyuujinZERO]

This is pretty much a rant, but hopefully people can take a lesson from this and may someone else can avoid such frustration due to other peoples selfishness.


Today I was rather dismayed when a FATE of a dozen people, complete with no less than 3 conjurers full-wiped against a minor FATE boss. My immediate impression was that none of the healers had actually healed anyone but had instead opted to just mash stone - however i let it slide, in particular as I'm not certain that any of the guys there was a tank so healing through might've not been viable. We came back after respawning - and this time I had a good overview of who we had in this attempt.

x2 Gladiators
x3 Conjurers
x2 Archers
x1 Lancer

With a team like this it should be entirely possible to take down a primal, not least a level 28 FATE boss (Couerlclaw King). With the recent defeat fresh in mind - I pointed out to them in chat "Don't forget to drop some heals on the tank this time".


We pulled... the tank's hitpoint started going down... and down... and down.

Then he died.

The second gladiator takes the lead - his hitpoints slowly start going down. At this point I point out "guys, heal the tank?". So the conjurers all cast cure simultaneously and pop his health back to fu- no, wait no they don't they just sit there mashing Stone II. He dies. Next in line on the threat table is me, being one of the archers; I do my best to featherfoot, kite, heal and have my pet chocobo keep me up but then the next wave of ranged adds appear and they all focus fire on me too and I go down fairly fast to a hail of arrows... then the next archer in is line, then the lancer and before you know it it's down to 3 conjurers who're now running in circles mashing heals on themselves wondering how it'd be nice if they had a tank or DPS to finish the boss right about now.

Confused by this display I ask aloud "Gu8ys, why did none of you heal the tank.. or anyone for that matter" - Whereupon I got the most blindly stupifying response possible: "You don't need a healer for FATE's, you guys just gotta L2P. We gotta DPS or we don't get credit". No matter how much the tanks L2P, there is no way they could've tanked through that boss fight without supplemental heals (Given we were not a zergling raid that could flatten the boss before he gets off a hit). If the raid wipes, then nobody gets credit. What good is spamming stone for credit if everyone winds up dead?

Ultimately, the FATE timed out and was declared a failure - a permanent mark of shame on the record


tl;dr.

Don't spam stone, cast cure on people other than yourself now and then too.

[Phantasmid]

People are so misguided. You do get credit for healing... it's by enmity. You just don't get credit for healing a random idiot that stood in an AoE, because he doesn't have anything's attention to build enmity against. I've repeatedly and consistently come in for the last 20% HP of various boss FATEs and gotten gold while warned about being under level, just by healing...

[Zarath]

That's mostly true Phantasmid, but for some reason even when main healing the tank only, there's been a few occasions where the game gives me nothing, not even copper from healing. It's happened a lot on the attack on high bridge final fight. I heal in almost every fate, but I make sure I do both damage and healing to stop it not rewarding me...

[ArkhamNative]

If tanks want heals, they need to find someone who is "willing to work for cheap or free". The FATEs reward damage, much more than healing. Sure you get some reward for healing, but using attack spells gets you lots more. Maybe that's the way SE wants it.

Question, though: Does being in a party share the rewards? or is it still based solely on each individual's contributions? If a tank makes even a 2-person party with a healer and they share the rewards, that might make it worthwhile for the mage.

[ZemusM]

Sadly Fates reward dmg and less so healing and the point of a FATE is to get GOLD so unless square changes the mechanics to make Healing the primary reward over DPS its not going to change.

HOWEVER

Even Idiot healers need to learn what a SIMPLE MACRO is.
/ac "Cure II" <tt>

That Macro will cast Cure 2 on your Targets Target. Which means while stupid CNJ is casting stone on said boss just hitting the "Cure" Macro will cast cure on the Tank who is holding it WITHOUT EVER SWITCHING TARGETS! so there is no excuse for stupidity like this when its only a small group of people attacking a FATE boss.

Sorry for your bad encounter. If I was there there would have been no wipe at all. That's just pathetic. Shame on those HEALERS.

[ZemusM]

People are so misguided. You do get credit for healing... it's by enmity. You just don't get credit for healing a random idiot that stood in an AoE, because he doesn't have anything's attention to build enmity against. I've repeatedly and consistently come in for the last 20% HP of various boss FATEs and gotten gold while warned about being under level, just by healing...

Its not that simple. Some FATES are just broken when it comes to how it rewards people. I have run into a boss fate at the last 20% also and casted Aero and gotten a GOLD. There are serious issues with how the rewards are handled on the majority of FATES that need to be looked at. I have sat there and cured the Tank again and again and gotten bronze only for the next time to do DPS and get gold in LESS TIME.

The reward mechanics for healing are essentially broken, while strange things like Casting Aero ONCE net a gold which makes no sense at all doing like 1 tick of dmg.

[Haredin-Hunter]

So I dabbled a bit into conjurer not high levels or anything just to 15 and I had to fate grind the last level or so. Let me tell you it was easy to pop aeros everywhere and continue running. I don't see why they can't just do a quick aero which is practically instant then heal the tank then another aero on a different target. Hell I attacked a boss way above my level as a paladin with shield lob like three times, ran away and came back to start resurrecting dudes that were dying. I got a silver for that and I didn't really even do anything important damage wise. No excuses dudes, none.

[Razzle]

Cancer - I had the thing CLAIMED (As in- It was Red named for me).
Did the first Aero, and let people zerg it while healing everyone.

Bronze.

Thanks SE.

Needless to say, next time I meet it, I'm changing Job... ( > . > ;

I got a silver for that

Um that's the whole point. Silver is not worth it, healers should be rewarded not less than damage dealers for supporting the players.

And when you do special FATEs that drop items (like Cancer) you only get the drop for getting a gold medal, so good luck getting that by doing your job and healing ( - . - ;

[Haredin-Hunter]

Um that's the whole point. Silver is not worth it, healers should be rewarded not less than damage dealers for supporting the players.

And when you do special FATEs that drop items (like Cancer) you only get the drop for getting a gold medal, so good luck getting that by doing your job and healing ( - . - ;

I'm not a damage dealer either, I did a total of 150 damage with my shield lob. I would say silver was worth it for standing in a safe area resurrecting people to go fight for me when I was 7 levels below the recommended level. However I feel your pain on cancer, gotten nothing but gold as a tank.... but as an archer I couldn't get anything higher than silver even though I was using my strongest attacks and dots. Dude is weird.
However straight up not doing your job with a reason of "I can't get gold" is unacceptable, there has to be a way. Hopefully until SE fixes the heal vs damage you all can find the balance.

[Aibo]

Cancer
-snip -

yeah the fate reward system is flawed sometimes.
i've done Cancer 2 times from the very start, healed some people and wasted all my CNJ mp into damage. got silver both times.
3rd time i got there at about 25% HP left, did basically the same thing, got gold.
go figure.