Dark Devices - Phase 1 Exploit

[Badger]

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You aren't demonstrating integrity sir. You are just showing us you are a narrow-minded player throwing a tantrum on the forum.

There are fifteen minute timers for the simplest of FATEs. The timer is irrelevant. I don't rush people through dungeons; also irrelevant.

I do, however, do FATEs as they're intended to be done. You may have noticed that there are objectives under this timer you seem to be so fixated on. That's what you're supposed to do to progress or complete FATEs. That's what I do. I don't abuse oversight by the developers; I play the game the way they intended. I want this fixed so people can play the game in peace rather than having impatient, entitled brats harass them because they can't earn 20x more XP than any other FATE in the game by exploiting the trash in phase one of this FATE.

I have the integrity to not abuse oversight by the developers which is more than I can say for a lot of people.

[Lithera]

Yah the harassment is the biggest issue and also what sets this apart from FFXIs Abyssea exp alliances. Yah the Aby alliances could monopolize a mob you need for NM pops or the NM ( Megamaw), but they'd bazaar pops normally and leave the NM to you. With this you have people legitimately completing the content as intended getting harassed and bullied as if THEY were exploiting. Someone else said if cultist grinding isn't an exploit then actually completing the objective definitely isn't either. This is the truth. It needs to be adjusted not because its an exploit of any kind but because its creating an extremely hostile environment. Reminds me of 11 LSs raging and calling others for botting anytime they lost claim on an HNM.

[Mazui]

There are fifteen minute timers for the simplest of FATEs. The timer is irrelevant. I don't rush people through dungeons; also irrelevant.

<snip> I want this fixed so people can play the game in peace rather than having impatient, entitled brats harass them <snip>

The timer is relevant. Why would you consider a timer for a fate an oversight by the devs? You have X amount of time to complete Y conditions. The event will continue until the conditions are met (Win) or the players run out of time (Lose).

That's great that you want to speed things along. Go kill the mobs then. Report douches that harass you. There isn't anything wrong with the quests, the problem is the vitriol you receive from other players. As sad as this is, that is commonplace in MMOs. I hate that people can be so cruel to each other. Report them and move along though. No need to let it get to you.

[Badger]

The timer is relevant. Why would you consider a timer for a fate an oversight by the devs? You have X amount of time to complete Y conditions. The event will continue until the conditions are met (Win) or the players run out of time (Lose).

The timer is not the oversight; it's the obscene amount of XP you can earn by completely ignoring the objectives. Even if there are other FATEs that have similar mechanics the mob density and respawn rate are much lower so they're not farmed in such a manner. People are so protective of this exploit that they resort to harassment and false botting reports to try to get back at people who just do the FATE as it is intended to be done. That is reason enough alone to fix it, but I can also toss in that it is grossly out of proportion compared to every other FATE of this level (20x more in fact) and that should be a huge indicator that this is not intended.

[DSN]

All signs point to this being an oversight, unintended, and an exploit.

Oversight or Unintended - Unless you wrote the code this is 100% your assumption and you know what they say when you assume.

Exploit - Not so much, this is not circumventing game design or mechanics. You cannot do this indefinitely as there is a timer that will force you to the next phase of the Fate and this is not the only place you can avoid the goal and work the extra enemies for added XP. Yes you gain more XP but this does not give it the definition of an exploit.

I had 0 problems with exp and it was more than fast enough to hit 50 whilst playing casually and just going to fates when ever I saw them instead of farming them like mad for exp.

Keep in mind some people are 100% out of content and quests which Fates have the best ROI when looking at the ratio of time to reward. Things change on your second + class.

[DSN]

Even if there are other FATEs that have similar mechanics the mob density and respawn rate are much lower so they're not farmed in such a manner.

The game uses a dynamic system based on activity, the more players the more frequently it will spawn enemies. This is why you can solo a fate or 20x the enemies arrive when you have more people participating.

What you are missing here is this is a 49 Fate and people are leveling based on it for their 2nd + classes when they have no more quests or are burnt on questing on their first character. This increases the number of players here exponentially.

If this was a level 5 fate you wouldn't notice as there would be much fewer people swarming it. What is really going on here is the combination of the number of players, level and strength of enemies, and players with level 45+ abilities available to them.

This is not an exploit you are confusing other factors as exploitation of the game.

[Welsper59]

Mmmm I really wouldn't call it an exploit. Those usually lead to harmful play, as in it has some sort of lasting effect that changes the one and only way you can accomplish something.

An example would be if fighting a mob in a certain spot of the area would cause it to no longer attack you until it dies, or be able to kite outside of its leash range. You'd be abusing a problem that was never intended to occur, ever. Infinite spawns are part of FATEs, it's kind of part of the system. You can sort of do this in lower level FATEs that involve something other than killing, such as the resource gathering ones (e.g. gobs outside Quarrymill), it's just not as effective... for various reasons.

DD, being how it is, isn't a problem. It's basically an old fashioned exp party for 15min. A good change of pace from the 45+ levels of generic FATE grinding.

[HFX7686]

The Dark Devices FATE has a time limit of 15 minutes. Obviously the developers intended this event to be completed in about that much time. Anyone who completes the objectives of this FATE in under 2 or 3 minutes, much less than the intended time limit, is obviously exploiting it for quick Grand Company seal gain.

[Tiraelina]

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Meanwhile in reality you are only trying to discredit others because you don't want your toy taken away.

Pathetic really.

[Mattia]

I do, however, do FATEs as they're intended to be done. You may have noticed that there are objectives under this timer you seem to be so fixated on.

Then why don't you collect that objective till the very last minute then turn it in.....? Again, not an exploit