Dark Devices - Phase 1 Exploit

[seiryoden]

Quests are pretty sparse after 46, running the FATEs around the processing plant (DD included) really helped me 48-50. SE could have nerfed it when they nerfed AK in the patch; they didn't. Sad that I've seen lvl 50 players deliberately trolling the server by rushing in and killing the lambs, especially given that they likely used the "exploit" themselves.

[Livilda]

It's so funny seeing so many people argue about whether this is an exploit. In the end, SE will eventually decide whether this was the way it was intended to work. I'll exploit it while I can, but I won't particularly miss it if it disappears, so the joke, I guess, would then be on everyone else.

[Iskander]

Firstly, thanks for this response. I have absolutely no experience with designing software or games and therefore try to avoid presuming what should be expected of game devs when it comes to matters such as these.

What you're saying makes a ton of sense. Besides certain notorious examples of large scale bannings, I didn't experience much of the cycle you've mentioned during my years playing FFXI. Yet, if it is BAU that people beat the system/devs patch/repeat and they didn't intend for anyone to gain this much xp from fates like these (there are other fates with the same design issue), then I fully expect them to patch all of them.
Thanks again.

unfortunately, I have to say to leave it alone. What'll happen is that they'll drop the exp to something like 5 per one, or limit it to X number of spawns. Players will move to a different FATE. The same thing will happen until there are a bunch of nerfed FATEs that give little exp. People will complain that FATEs give like no xp, and force SE to raise the xp. Then people will zerg and others will whine, and its best to just let this thread die.

[Craniux]

It is pretty clearly an exploit. The never-ending enemies were probably intended to slow your progress, not supply endless EXP fodder. If it were intentional the situation would exist in other places in the game, which it doesn't. Whether it's worth getting fixed or not is another matter entirely; as exploits go it's not really a very advantageous one. All anyone gets is a bunch of EXP in a game in which you can already get max level in a week.

I have had some fun pulling one or two of the mobs that count for progress and watching everyone flip out because their precious EXP is in danger though.

Please get ur facts straight before talking there are other fate with the same type of mechanic...where mobs spawn really fast...u can choose not to deliver the items they drop to the quest giver, and farm that xp for 15 min.

[Aldemar]

What results is approximately 14:30 of people spamming AOE and doing nothing else in order to earn anywhere from 10,000 to 200,000 XP depending on the quality (and luck) of their group.

I fail to see this as a bad thing, considering how grindy leveling becomes from 40-50. So what you're saying is you would rather grind MORE fates instead of spending more time on ONE. What frickin' difference does it make?

[SoullessSvipdagr]

yeah thats a pretty bad idea, im not sure if you have seen it, but people are real assholes to somebody who does this and some go as far as reporting players who finish early as bots and what not.

Yup, so I form a whole group - who are there farming seals and want to finish it properly... I have a fine network of over 3 linkshells and an FC - if a low lvl 40+ wants me to play on their terms... They are dreaming. I play for me, and if 200 people are in my way screaming they want something different, I couldn't care any less. I'll see you all in game(secretly hoping they open up open-world pvp).

[Badger]

I'm always open to the idea that I could be wrong, but nothing about this screams exploit. Does it scream cheap and ridiculously easy? Yes. However, assuming that the designer/s of Dark Designs are reasonable adults, it isn't easy for me to accept that this and so many other Fates were DESIGNED, these fates didn't create themselves, this way accidentally.

People defending speed runs (an exploit) used a similar argument. It's cheap and easy, but it was DESIGNED this way so it must be okay, when it was obvious to honest people that it wasn't. I didn't create any kind of straw-man in my first response to you. I was unable to write a more elaborate statement due to the arbitrary character limit on posts. This place is almost as bad as Twitter.

The developers didn't foresee people exploiting their dungeons (speed runs) either, but the dungeons were initially designed that way. It was brought to their attention and fixed.

I'm doing what the FATE wants me to do: Kill Lambs of Dalamud. Exploiters be damned.

[Jess72]

You honestly think that's an exploit?

wow.....

[neverendingxsin]

I have an idea guys, lets just nerf EVERYTHING in the game so that it takes a whole year (365 days) of 24/7 mob killing just to hit max level. Lets remove quests, dungeons, fates, everything and just have you kill mobs for the entire game.

/sarcasm


Seriously, if you don't like it then don't participate in it. But for those of you thinking "well it makes other things slower"... first off nobody is doing dungeons anyways (except the story ones), the FATES are bringing zones together whether it be a zerg or not you are working together with other people in your party and/or zone. And finally nobody is forcing you to level with FATES, but seriously stop worrying about what other people are doing and worry about yourself.

I hope you don't act like this when you're driving in real life or something, constantly worrying about what everybody else is doing and what not. That would drive me insane.

[silentwindfr]

i love how people defend thing that must'nt be defended... i means we have the same talk about the speedrun and now this...
i means it's fairly possible to get more of 200.000 exp with just this fate, come on, the reward is 10-15k exp and you can get more of 200k from that..."technic" and you defend it?