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    Atreides's Avatar
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    Ikohyu Kaito
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    Is there any point in taking more than 1 SCH for Full parties?

    I'm just curious if there is any point in taking 2 SCH for heavy damage encounters like Titan HM.
    We had a setup made of 3 healers 1 WHM and 2 SCH, both SCH claimed that they can't mainheal the group or main tank while our WHM didn't seem to have any trouble taking either role.
    The SCH shields don't stack and their AoE heal for less than the WHM, yet I see some groups doing fine with 2 SCH.
    Is there anything that makes them stand out if you take more than one?
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    Adellyna Adel
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    No point having more than1 SCH as SCH shields do not stack, and SCH doesnt have alternate AoE heal to switch to like WHM, but SCH claiming unable to tank heal is ridiculous. If anything it is way easier to solo tank heal as SCH than WHM with shield and unlimited mana. Group healing is more tricky as it involves micro managing pets (which is currently bugged ATM), so not recommended. Its more suitable for WHM anyway looking from their toolkit.

    I can only think of chaining SCH CDs: eye for an eye and the dome thingy, but its not much.
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    Therielis Darkwish
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    if u'r behind a WHm as main tank healer... than u got something to work on... also bringing 3 healer to titan is just making the fight more open to mistake... bring one more dps it will speed up the fight and will not allow titan to stack too much stomp in the last phase (if u don't know every time titan use his stomp he do one more hit... if u take your time in that phase he will end up killing everyone with stomp... no metter how many healer u get with u... )

    on the stacking SCH on the other end... yes actually double SCH really stack very bad... but at the same time with succor and adloquium as they are now stacking them will trivialize most fight... the only way to makes them stack will be to rework the spell shifting more potency to the heal component and less to the shield

    example:
    Adloquim; healing potency 450, generate a shield equal to half the healed amount (double the shield on crit)
    Succor; healing potency 200, generate a shield equal to half the healed amount

    if u do the math the amount of effective HP generated is the same as now... but with lesser shield u can't PREVENT too much dmg... u will have to use them as reactive heal rather than preentive... this will balance the stacking... but I think will also destroy the particular game play of scholar that is more based on prenventing the dmg rather than healing it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comalol View Post
    (if u don't know every time titan use his stomp he do one more hit... if u take your time in that phase he will end up killing everyone with stomp... no metter how many healer u get with u... )
    This is simply false, Hard Mode Titan only increase his tumults between each time he jumps up and shears off the edge of the battle arena.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakkya View Post
    This is simply false, Hard Mode Titan only increase his tumults between each time he jumps up and shears off the edge of the battle arena.
    Haha... Did you ever passed the heart phase?... The Tumult can wipe your party at the end (~5 - ~10%) if you don't spam your aoe's while he stomp... (~8 stomps?)

    Btw. 2 SCH 1 WHM isn't that bad. Cycle the Virus & Eye for an Eye skills. Also cycling Sacred Soil will help :P (Or 1x for melees 1x for the ranged). Having all 4 DD's with Ifrit / Garuda Weapon is enough for Titans Heart. Also 1 SCH can use Cleric Stance while dps'ing the heart...
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    Chaste Draconnis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atreides View Post
    I'm just curious if there is any point in taking 2 SCH for heavy damage encounters like Titan HM.
    We had a setup made of 3 healers 1 WHM and 2 SCH, both SCH claimed that they can't mainheal the group or main tank while our WHM didn't seem to have any trouble taking either role.
    The SCH shields don't stack and their AoE heal for less than the WHM, yet I see some groups doing fine with 2 SCH.
    Is there anything that makes them stand out if you take more than one?
    WHMs stack better. So no, not really. That's not saying you can't do the content with multiple SCH though.
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    Titan is doable with 2 healers so why wouldnt it be doable with 2 sch 1 whm?

    Er you could probably succeed with 2 sch up until coil 4 or perhaps even coil 5 . Simply because healing isn't actually that unforgiving till your at that point.

    I can only think of chaining SCH CDs: eye for an eye and the dome thingy, but its not much.
    Whm can cross class eye for an eye and virus . They should too they are good off gcd dmg reducing cooldowns.

    So far i haven't done the math or theory to know if its better to save your aethers for lustrate or to use 1 soil per 3 aethers. When it comes to tank healing. What needs to be tested is does soil reduce every dmg including dots? you can never know with se lols.

    I am feeling that saving aethers for lustrate is a better idea due to the fact that an ohshit button is invaluable.
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    Last edited by sharazisspecial; 09-16-2013 at 08:37 PM.

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    Klynwilf Spellrifter
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    Two SCH is very do-able, but it requires a little more coordination between the two healers than any other setup.

    Assign one SCH to tank shielding and healing and the other is allowed to shield everyone else. Have the scholars have different fairies out. SCH will rotate casting sacred soil on the tank, so the tank will have a constant 10% extra damage reduction. Tank healer spends most of his time casting adloquium and physick. The other SCH cast physick on the tank and spot heals and succor on everyone else. Honestly, with two people procing succors from sacred soil and two fairies, the party shouldn't require much spot healing.

    Now two whm or sch and whm, no preplanning or coordination is really needed. If both healers react to something, the worse that happens is some over healing. Thus why the double sch is least desirable.
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    Nucleon Meltdown
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    The problem is that you only ever need 1 SCH. So when 16 man and 24 man content comes out you still on need 1 SCH. I dealt with this for years as a Disc priest in WoW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuclayer View Post
    The problem is that you only ever need 1 SCH. So when 16 man and 24 man content comes out you still on need 1 SCH. I dealt with this for years as a Disc priest in WoW.
    They will hopefully fix sch stacking issue when crystal tower comes
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