FF11 vs FF14: Summoner

[Konfuzzle]

PLEASE NO!!!!! summoner on FFXI is condemned to be a support class because of this. I like the way Summoner is in FFXIV as its more of a DPS class with the option of backup healer.

This right here is the truth... XI summoner had potential to be a DPS but no due to the ability of subjob and its massive amount of MP it became a healer class. I Prefer the Summoner in XIV completely over XI.

[Orbital-Dragon]

Well honestly there is a win win option here. A lot of people dislike the new summoner, a few support it fully. Why not just keep Arcanist the way it is, and introduce a new or rather older version of the summoner class. Just give us both!

[jruu]

They are not like other pet classes in MMO's from what I have seen.

If you believe they are using the wrong pet, then you should tell them that. Interacting is key. Consider that it's merely just a matter of balance. No other job can heal, tank, and dps at the same time. Sure summoner can't do all those effectively as a focused job, but I think it's a role they play. It also varies on people's stats too. Some summoners ( maybe most ) go all out INT so they could get as much dps as possible.

Another thing to consider is comparing it to ffxi, it was so much more harder to aquire the summoner class and to maintain it. They basically dumbed it down and made it a more simply class, which I think is a good thing. FFXI, summons slowly took your MP away as long as it was out.

As far as quoting you, well DUH. It's a good thing they didnt. Thank god ffxiv is not no lame generic mmorpg with the same classes and qualities.

[Jaminos]

I am not claiming that they should follow any other MMO either. Nor am I saying they should copy FFXI.

As for communication, I always communicate while tanking. I have a fairly extensive thread about the common mistakes of tanking that addresses that very subject. But I can only go half way. I can't force them to change their summon. I have yet to have a positive experience with a summoner in my party.

Do I hate them? Absolutely not. Do I think that nobody can play the class correctly? No. But I can only base my opinion on what I have seen for the past 31 levels of doing dungeons. I would be happy to be wrong and see a summoner do great.

I just never notice a difference with them in a dungeon. In fact, I have noticed a great boost in DPS if they had to leave And another DPS class took their place. I don't hate summoners. I just have had no luck with them.

[Serathio]

I honestly question why SE decided to name this class "Summoner" when we really aren't. The lore doesn't even match the rest of the Summoners from the FF series, we're not summoning the full fledged/real magical beasts/summons/eidolons/espers/avatars/aeons/etc (primals called in this game), we're calling (wouldn't even call it summon tbh) their gimped forms (aka Essence)- the Egi versions of the "real" beast.

If anything, they should have gone with the "Evoker" name. It is more fitting and not as misleading.

PS; I do understand why SE took the "miniature/half" summon form approach, I wish they didn't. While I like the SMN class as a whole the summons are a major letdown coming from the other title, XI.
The class doesn't feel "epic", with only 3 dwarf pets to that's smaller than a Tarutaru. xD