FF11 vs FF14: Summoner

[Jaminos]

I don't think Summoner is a bad job, I'm glad it's different from FF11. It should be, because that's how Final Fantasy seems to work. Summoners have some comparions, but are never the same. Sometimes they even have different names, and do different things in battles when summoned sometimes.

They shouldn't be THAT different. While not clones of their FF11 counterparts, most of the classes that came from FF11 work very similarly.

Keep in mind a summoner should be known for one thing, their summon. How they buff their summon and use its abilities should be what defines them.

To me at least, a summoner should be spending their time making their summon their star. Not slinging spells alongside them. But this is just my opinion. Like.it or not, what we have is what you get for now.

[AlyssaImagine]

They shouldn't be THAT different. While not clones of their FF11 counterparts, most of the classes that came from FF11 work very similarly.

Keep in mind a summoner should be known for one thing, their summon. How they buff their summon and use its abilities should be what defines them.

To me at least, a summoner should be spending their time making their summon their star. Not slinging spells alongside them. But this is just my opinion. Like.it or not, what we have is what you get for now.

Well, that's true too. It would be much better to see Summoner's doing more with their pet, buffing them and everything. Would be better than a Summoner throwing around DoTs and not much else. I like much of the class, but I agree some of it could be better.

[Orbital-Dragon]

Well honestly there is a win win option here. A lot of people dislike the new summoner, a few support it fully. Why not just keep Arcanist the way it is, and introduce a new or rather older version of the summoner class. Just give us both!

[Jaminos]

I am not claiming that they should follow any other MMO either. Nor am I saying they should copy FFXI.

As for communication, I always communicate while tanking. I have a fairly extensive thread about the common mistakes of tanking that addresses that very subject. But I can only go half way. I can't force them to change their summon. I have yet to have a positive experience with a summoner in my party.

Do I hate them? Absolutely not. Do I think that nobody can play the class correctly? No. But I can only base my opinion on what I have seen for the past 31 levels of doing dungeons. I would be happy to be wrong and see a summoner do great.

I just never notice a difference with them in a dungeon. In fact, I have noticed a great boost in DPS if they had to leave And another DPS class took their place. I don't hate summoners. I just have had no luck with them.

[Serathio]

I honestly question why SE decided to name this class "Summoner" when we really aren't. The lore doesn't even match the rest of the Summoners from the FF series, we're not summoning the full fledged/real magical beasts/summons/eidolons/espers/avatars/aeons/etc (primals called in this game), we're calling (wouldn't even call it summon tbh) their gimped forms (aka Essence)- the Egi versions of the "real" beast.

If anything, they should have gone with the "Evoker" name. It is more fitting and not as misleading.

PS; I do understand why SE took the "miniature/half" summon form approach, I wish they didn't. While I like the SMN class as a whole the summons are a major letdown coming from the other title, XI.
The class doesn't feel "epic", with only 3 dwarf pets to that's smaller than a Tarutaru. xD