Dear Square Enix! Make the game harder, not easier!

[Jynxii]

Lets be honest here you are not looking for "challenging" content. You are just looking for exclusive gear that you would only be able to obtain due to having more time on your hand.

Exclusive from the people suffering from poobrain?

The OP didn't ask for content that takes hours to clear, he asked for challenging content that can't be facerolled. Even some of the 'toughest' dungeons in Vanilla WoW (You know, when things actually required so skill/coordination) didn't take hours to clear, they were just challenging, and once you learnt the mechanics (and got a bit of gear), you could cruise through them in 3-4 hours.

Like everything, guides will be published, and even 'hard' content will be doable by people that put in a little bit of time to gear up before hand, and make an effort to learn something instead of calling BS mechanics or lag. Elitist or not, if you want to do 'end game' content/raids, and can't be bothered investing the time to get a full DL set before trying to burden yourself on 7 other players, then you need to re-evaluate your position.

A full darklight takes a bit of time to get; are you suggests HM Garuda / Titan should be doable with AF gear? Don't worry, a lot of people seem to think this as they pop up all the friggen time.