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    Quote Originally Posted by KimimiAvesta View Post
    It's worth mentioning that FFXIV is not work, but an entertainment product that people not only pay for at the counter, but also pay additional monthly fees merely for the privilege of accessing the game. It shouldn't be a second job.

    No, there shouldn't be some "click me to win all the shinies all the time" button, but expecting them to block portions of the game off from the majority of the player base (either because they lack skill, time, or simply don't wish to invest their heart and soul into one game) forever isn't a good idea.
    Then MMOs are not the genre for you.

    Try single player RPGs where you're certain to at least get a couple of the best items that are part of the in-game quest line...

    If you lack the skill and the dedication to get the best items, you don't get it, its as simple as that
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiszRie View Post
    Then MMOs are not the genre for you.

    Try single player RPGs where you're certain to at least get a couple of the best items that are part of the in-game quest line...

    If you lack the skill and the dedication to get the best items, you don't get it, its as simple as that
    This is a game model that makes the producer less money than accessible content; ergo, it won't be how it works for long. Get used to the idea now, it will hurt less when it changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furious View Post
    This is a game model that makes the producer less money than accessible content; ergo, it won't be how it works for long. Get used to the idea now, it will hurt less when it changes.
    There's a fine line by making good gear accessible to a wide range of players and making good gear too accessible at which point players will either A) get bored and quit or B) vocally complain for new content to be released ad infinitum.
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    Yoshida already said once, that current hardcore events get easier after enough new hardcore events are out. Give hardcore players always something new and let the casual players enjoy the old.
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    Player ReiszRie's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furious View Post
    This is a game model that makes the producer less money than accessible content; ergo, it won't be how it works for long. Get used to the idea now, it will hurt less when it changes.
    Are you suggesting that the devs should be handing out relics and AF+1 gear? if you truly think so, get used to the fact that it won't happen, it will hurt less when it doesn't happen.
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    I would like to see what would happen if they made fights be like the ones with Ruby Weapon, Omega Weapon, or Yiazmat. The amount of complaints after wiping 50 times (with no reward) would be epic.

    No, there needs to be a balance and, from what I've seen and what I'm being told, I think that the game is fine as it is right now. Also, I agree with the fact that nerfing prior content a bit when a new tier is introduced is good, as it helps the rest of the playerbase to see said content (they pay too) and catch up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiszRie View Post
    Are you suggesting that the devs should be handing out relics and AF+1 gear? if you truly think so, get used to the fact that it won't happen, it will hurt less when it doesn't happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    Yoshida already said once, that current hardcore events get easier after enough new hardcore events are out. Give hardcore players always something new and let the casual players enjoy the old.
    *Cough*....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furious View Post
    *Cough*....
    *cough*

    after enough content had been launched which naturally brings new top tier gear relegating current top tier gear worthless and rendering your statement moot

    *cough*

    some comprehension might help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiszRie View Post
    Are you suggesting that the devs should be handing out relics and AF+1 gear? if you truly think so, get used to the fact that it won't happen, it will hurt less when it doesn't happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by ReiszRie View Post
    *cough*

    after enough content had been launched which naturally brings new top tier gear relegating current top tier gear worthless and rendering your statement moot

    *cough*

    some comprehension might help.
    So, when titan and BC get nerfed and the devs are "handing out relics and af+1", they won't infact be handing out relics and af+1?

    Interesting.


    Regardless of all of the above; if casual players stop playing because they don't have enough to do, content will get nerfed. Period.

    This is a subscription model; people can't just pay for what they want to do and go. If people don't feel they have anything to do, they just go altogether, and the company loses money. What you or what I think is "best for the game" is utterly irrelevant; what's best for the game is secondary to what is most profitable for the game.
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    Player ReiszRie's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furious View Post
    So, when titan and BC get nerfed and the devs are "handing out relics and af+1", they won't infact be handing out relics and af+1?

    Interesting.


    Regardless of all of the above; if casual players stop playing because they don't have enough to do, content will get nerfed. Period.

    This is a subscription model; people can't just pay for what they want to do and go. If people don't feel they have anything to do, they just go altogether, and the company loses money. What you or what I think is "best for the game" is utterly irrelevant; what's best for the game is secondary to what is most profitable for the game.
    We're obviously talking about the current landscape not an unknown landscape in the future that god knows when it will happen...

    I used Relic and AF+1 as it illustrates current top tier gear, as future content gets releases and more top tier equipments are made available, Relic and AF+1 would be akin to AF gear in usefulness.

    What happens when top end gear is made easily accessible to casuals? it'll simple destroy the value of said top end gear; and what happens after top tier dungeons are made to be defeated easily by casuals? they'll still leave as they've completed every available content...

    The only reason you want Relics and AF+1 now is simply because it is difficult to attain and therefore you recognize the value of it.

    No one is isolating casuals, its just that casuals needs to understand that they can't have everything without putting in effort for it. Casuals have access to majority, except the top tier content... this is pretty casual centric IMO.
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    Last edited by ReiszRie; 09-15-2013 at 09:50 PM.

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