Please buff Succor.

[twinklover]

hehe, you just describe the exact issue here: SCH is merely a bonus. WHM+WHM is manageable. SCH+WHM is great. SCH+SCH = crippled raid. Shield and dome aint game breaker tools, unlike WHM's AoE tool set which happens to be the requirement for the majority of hardmode fights and up. If you can find a SCH/WHM pair your run will be optimal. If not, your fallback plan is 2 WHMs, your raid might struggle, but definitely passable. Stuck with 2 SCH? Tough luck, lol.

Even in WoW healers aint equal. Holy priest shines in 25m, most switch to disc for 10m. Holy pal is always a requirement for 25m tank healing. However unlike this game priest is a unique healing class with 2 healing tree to switch at will (albeit not optimal with the same set of gear), they are willing to switch to meet the demand. Plus, WoW got an excellent fight battle designing team that allows for a very flexible healing composition (unless its cutting edge progression fights).

As I always said, level an SCH to feel the pain yourself. A WHM saying SCH is fine? Why am I so surprised?

Whm+Whm is imo better then sch+whm perhaps until they fix the faerie. Whm+whm has its strengths over sch+ whm and the way the endgame is designed favours 2 whm .

Double whm's strength is
Immense passive raid healing, giving whms more time to spot heal and tank heal
Higher potency heals along with higher base healing by around 40hp(test it yourselves).
Higher burst healing
more control over their cooldowns and healing direction
much longer uptime on "divine seal" along with a better way to utilize it (regeneration snap shots)
Larger aoe radius

who has more time to heal the tank/others?
the whm who spends 2.5 sec casting for 200+500 potency hp healed in 15 seconds
or the sch who spends 12.5 sec casting for 750 potency hp healed with a temporary 150 shield left over.

2 whm large healing per cast healing simply gives them more time to outheal and provide more healing output in a smaller time phase. Then having a sch would . Sch spends more GCDs casting to reach the same amount of healing. The amount mitigated by sch's 50% uptime of -10% damage reduction within a small circle does not even begin to bridge the gap.

Because of how much extra time sch wastes casting spells. Whm is the better tank and raid healer atm. IF SE fix and allow sch more control over the faerie sch may catch up or beat whm in tank healing(though still be behind in raid healing). However se have not annouced fixes and we only have speculation on how they may fix the faeries.

At the moment the healing required for coil 1,2 ,3 and 4 is still very forgiving with plenty of time to waste gcds (not sure about coil 5 or 6) The real test of healing will be when there is fight where wasting even 1 gcd will result in falling too far behind.

[Hulan]

Not to reuse a phrase, but, as an aspiring SCH myself (please don't look at the man behind the curtain, he's my legacy character that I used day one so I could actually post [on reflection... I can probably change that now]), I kind of view SCH at end game like a BRD. BRDs are support damage dealers (ideally), and I doubt you would see any self respecting party say "We need a BRD instead of a LNC/BLM/MNK" unless special circumstances called for it. No, BRDs shine brightest when they are accompanied by other DDs. That being said, you never see a BRD complaining that... Ok, maybe I can't finish that sentence... but most BRDs seem quite content with their lot as support Damage dealers.

I view SCH similarly, we can heal alone, but we are at our best when supporting another healer. That's not something that we should be disappointed about, but revel in. It's our own little niche; and what makes the job interesting. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm only level 34, so I don't have Succor yet. I am, in fact, a baby of a SCH, but I love the job, and I think there's nothing wrong with playing second fiddle to WHM; after all, parties aren't an aria, they're an orchestra, sometimes what you need is a second fiddle.

As for Succor, as I said, I don't have it yet, but from what I have read here, I agree it could probably use some more utility. On the other hand, there are plenty of party members that rarely, if ever, get hit, except on first engagement - if something goes wrong - such as BLMs. As a low level SCH, I would find an AoE prebuff for the party to prevent early disasters invaluable.

Lest someone think I am hiding behind a different character, my actual character is Alec Temet @ Midgarsormr

[ApolloGenX]

As I always said, level an SCH to feel the pain yourself. A WHM saying SCH is fine? Why am I so surprised?

SCH is fine. As long as optimal is one of each- IT'S FINE. When raids are forced to take 2 of one class, they are doing so because they have to and can't get the optimal setup. If stacking WHM or SCH was optimal, then there would be a problem. Being forced to take two of a class because that is all you have and having that be a little less painful with 2 whms is not a problem. If there was a SCH around, they would have taken them.

TLDR: NO ONE IS GETTING BENCHED.

[ApolloGenX]

all SE needs to do to SCH to help it is what they did to WHM... medica 1 - 300 CP... medica 2 - 200 CP plus 100CP as regen... where as a SCH would have succor1 150 + aldo and succor 2 300 CP.

So, the answer is to homogenize and just give WHM abilities to SCH? Hilarious. (Should they delete WHM class while they are at it?) There would be a trade off.. say good bye to your fairy and sacred soil. Also, expect it to take a chunk of Etherflow stacks. so you can't spam it without limits, since mana isn't an issue.

Or you could just roll a whm, instead of trying to get everything from both classes on one OP class.

-I'm not surprised to see the WoW comparisons in the discussion. It comes from the same desire to homogenize the heck out of everything, until choosing a class is pointless. Please go back to WoW and stop trying to make all classes the same here. You don't have to re-roll a character to change classes- so different classes are different.

[JonFarron]

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I fully agree. I have been lvling WHM first. Around lvl 4x I stopped to go level my SCH. The thing I noticed immediately, was that WHM was much more versatile. WHM is the healer you want if something goes unplanned. Both healers are great for 4 man parties, but when it comes to raids, WHM is the first healer to look for. WHM is obviously the main healer, and the SCH is there for support/backup. White Mages run out of MP pretty easily if they spam all their skills, but a Scholar can last about 3x longer before they have to wait on their aether flow's cd to finish. A WHM with no MP becomes quickly crippled, because they don't have a way to quickly regain MP without a Bard. In the time that the WHM is conserving MP, a SCH can keep the party going and prevent a wipe.

... SE MAKE THE CHARACTER LIMIT BIGGER PLEASE D:

[JonFarron]

The only thing that needs to be worked on for Scholar, is the fairy. They just need 3 things fixed. Steady to continue using only Embrace even after ordering them to use another skill, and the ability to have the fairy only heal one particular person unless ordered otherwise. Do something about Succor. I feel the best solution to this would be if you cast Succor a second time, any remaining shields on the party would be converted into HP along with the heal, however a new shield would not go in place if you consumed the previous one as a heal, and would have to cast again to re-install the shield.

But seriously SE, this character limit is preventing detailed constructive posts. -.-

[ApolloGenX]

You can edit your post to get around the limit... and since developers did say that WHM would be the more versatile healer- that is working as intended.

[kronpas]

Heh.. As I said, SCH toolkit looks great on paper, but falls short in practice, then it is further plagued by the buggy pet. I leveled SCH first, grabbed my ifrit codex, ran everything up to garuda, then switched to WHM. The difference was like day and night. One thing WHM white knights cling to is the supposed mana limit, however with fixed spell mana cost and a bard's presence (almost guaranteed in any serious 8m), there aint any more issue. Then what SCH s stuck with? Adol isnt making SCH any better than WHM at single target healing, succor simply sucks badly, render WHM helpless in heavy AoE situation.

Instead of repeating the same mantra trying to assure "SCH is fine" while you are having only WHM, why dont you level one yourself to see whether it needs improvement? I believed in SE's promise of each class having it own strength and weakness, that was why I leveled both in the first place to switch on demand. But only when I owned a 50 WHM to try out I realized the pathetic situation SCH was in. Simply put, WHM is your to-go healer, SCH is not even your secondary choice. You need a WHM in a party first before thinking of getting a SCH, but not otherwise. A pair of WHM is ok, SCH+WHM works well, but 2x SCH just cant function. You simply ignore the fact that a pair of WHM works, while SCH does not.

Just try it instead of sitting on your WHM butt repeating the same old tired "SCH is fine". Apart from the codex, they share the same gear, your 2nd job even got +50% xp bonus on everything. Try it, then get back here to say it is fine.

But after all that said, I'm more raged by SE's silence on when the pet is fixed than players' attitude towards a particular class. Given their horrid, utter incompetency regarding server issues (which still persist to an extend even now), I dont believe they are capable of fixing the pet in the foreseeable future. If one thing Blizz is great at, its their very open to their player base.

[ApolloGenX]

But after all that said, I'm more raged by SE's silence on when the pet is fixed than players' attitude towards a particular class. Given their horrid, utter incompetency regarding server issues (which still persist to an extend even now), I dont believe they are capable of fixing the pet in the foreseeable future. If one thing Blizz is great at, its their very open to their player base.

This is the priority issue. It's also why I leveled whm before SCH. I started on my scholar and will be leveling, but I figured 2 obvious things about the class made it my second choice - by design

1. Splitting healing with a pet. - If a class is balanced, why would I want the power of a healer split between me and a pet that then has to be managed? It's extra oversight to achieve parity.

2. I don't trust pet UIs. Generally, management of pets is a pain point in MMOs. I didn't trust the execution to be flawless, and anything short will dramatically impact healing performance.

It seems like both of these issues has come to bear on the class, and it's why I am saying they need to fix the pet UI, but an informed person made the choice to choose the class that has its power shared with a pet. You can't expect to be at parity when your pet is not fully functional.

If you are looking at your AE heals, you have to add in pet AE heals if they have them along with mitigation skills. If you have single target heals, you have to add in pet single target heals and mitigation skills.

People are selectively comparing apples to oranges, because they don't want to include the role of the pet and mitigation because it is a pain point, but has a huge impact on the comparison calculus. Currently, the SCH can massively outheal the WHM... it's just a PITA to do so.

[kronpas]

Micromanagement isnt an issue to me who played a lot of micro heavy strategy games (War3, DotA2 and the likes) over the year. I also play a fair amount of FPS. Seriously, compared to those fast paced games, pet microing in this designed-for-gamepad-in-mind MMO is a joke, first thing I did when I gained the fairies were to manually pull embrace onto my action bars. I was mildly surprised when people complained about the Doom spell that killed the pet outright where all you need was to move it yourself or make it follow you to the platform to remove the debuff. I managed to keep the pet alive while both DPSes failed at killing the bees and kept dying to Doom. That was my first time, and last time in that instance. I dont care if you dont believe me, this is after al the internet where one is free to make up stories.

What makes it stupidly hard is the illogical, unresponsive pet UI/pet control mechanics and AI bugs, not the pet itself. If one can mic Chen and his horde of creeps in DotA, he shouldnt have any issue with pet controlling in any MMO.

You brought up pet AE heal, but seriously, have you EVEN tried it? HAVE YOU? You cant even freaking control that damn creature but embrace as it fires off all CDs the instant the tank loses the tiniest amount of HP. You cant control it during spell casts, which forces me to embrace before casting my own spells. Best thin a SCH can do is to spot heal with pet while pumping adol/phsyik onto the tank (which is incidentally the only thing its good at: heal multiple targets at the same time). Also I'm not saying it has any issue healing single target, look at thread title, woudl you?

I bet you only read up class mechanics and compared class spells, you got absolutely no experience to speak off. I might not setting foot into coil yet, but my experience up to Titan with both classes is sufficient to comment on the matter, unlike you who only know of it on paper.

I think its time I stop replying to you. You dont play the class, you are cluessless about its issue, yet you keep saying "its fine". Btw, HPS doesnt matter. HPS # DPS, sheer output doesnt make a good healing class.

P/s Or I think I should be out of here altogether. What a waste of time trying to argue with you fellow players, SE devs dont even read this board :\