Please buff Succor.

[Mistix]

I think the reason why this post is called buff succor and not buff SCH adloq/physic is because we are actually discussing about SCH's AOE heal issue. Everyone knows the best combination in an 8-man would be SCH + WHM. WHM x2 combination would not fall far from the best. But SCHx2 combination is the problem. SCH just do not have the ability to quickly bring the raid's health back to safety during end game when boss spams heavy AOE damage.

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And SCHx2 is just not supposed to happen. Period. I repeat, this game is not WoW where each class ended-up with the same capacities. You're just not supposed to do Titan HM and stuff beyond without a WHM and a SCH in group. SCH pre-shield and blue bubble are invaluable, buffing those shields or the heal generated while at the same time shielding would be game breaker.

[kronpas]

And SCHx2 is just not supposed to happen. Period. I repeat, this game is not WoW where each class ended-up with the same capacities. You're just not supposed to do Titan HM and stuff beyond without a WHM and a SCH in group. SCH pre-shield and blue bubble are invaluable, buffing those shields or the heal generated while at the same time shielding would be game breaker.

hehe, you just describe the exact issue here: SCH is merely a bonus. WHM+WHM is manageable. SCH+WHM is great. SCH+SCH = crippled raid. Shield and dome aint game breaker tools, unlike WHM's AoE tool set which happens to be the requirement for the majority of hardmode fights and up. If you can find a SCH/WHM pair your run will be optimal. If not, your fallback plan is 2 WHMs, your raid might struggle, but definitely passable. Stuck with 2 SCH? Tough luck, lol.

Even in WoW healers aint equal. Holy priest shines in 25m, most switch to disc for 10m. Holy pal is always a requirement for 25m tank healing. However unlike this game priest is a unique healing class with 2 healing tree to switch at will (albeit not optimal with the same set of gear), they are willing to switch to meet the demand. Plus, WoW got an excellent fight battle designing team that allows for a very flexible healing composition (unless its cutting edge progression fights).

As I always said, level an SCH to feel the pain yourself. A WHM saying SCH is fine? Why am I so surprised?

[ApolloGenX]

As I always said, level an SCH to feel the pain yourself. A WHM saying SCH is fine? Why am I so surprised?

SCH is fine. As long as optimal is one of each- IT'S FINE. When raids are forced to take 2 of one class, they are doing so because they have to and can't get the optimal setup. If stacking WHM or SCH was optimal, then there would be a problem. Being forced to take two of a class because that is all you have and having that be a little less painful with 2 whms is not a problem. If there was a SCH around, they would have taken them.

TLDR: NO ONE IS GETTING BENCHED.

[fanservice]

And SCHx2 is just not supposed to happen. Period.

Yet WHMx2 does, and is at least on even terms of effectiveness as SCH+WHM.

You can't omit a WHM from anything challenging, yet you don't need a SCH at all. People progress in coil of bahamut without SCHs. That is imbalance. Having a SCH over a WHM as is does not make or break a fight, while the opposite isn't true. Those people know it, and people like you gloss over that fact as if it's not there.

If I could make a graph of what this looks like, it would show generally poorer results with fewer WHM's and more SCH's. More accurately, a sharp decline in results on the SCH+SCH side, while it more or less plateaus at WHM+SCH/WHMx2. What was the magic variable that caused the change for the better? Combination of presence of WHM's, and less SCH's. What boggles the mind is posters like you avoid stating this half of the truth like it's a taboo (though it obvious you just want to further your own argument doing this. Don't feign your ignorance. If you know what sucks, you should know what works considering you're a healer too, so you're not BS'ing anyone).



I also hate to have to bring this up, but why is it whenever I see a comment like this it's from a lvl50 CNJ? I mean I already know why, but your bias manifests in such a shitty argument full of holes that anyone could refute in 5 minutes that I'd be ashamed to post what you said myself, and so should you. More accurately, what you did is omit the fact that WHMx2 is fine, while saying SCHx2 should never happen, implying this double standard is your ideal of balance. The remainder of your post is also wrong because, like I said earlier, people do titan+coil without SCH's. This is why this post is garbage.

[Valiant]

Yet WHMx2 does, and is at least on even terms of effectiveness as SCH+WHM.

You can't omit a WHM from anything challenging, yet you don't need a SCH at all. People progress in coil of bahamut without SCHs. That is imbalance. Having a SCH over a WHM as is does not make or break a fight, while the opposite isn't true. Those people know it, and people like you gloss over that fact as if it's not there.



I also hate to have to bring this up, but why is it whenever I see a comment like this it's from a lvl50 CNJ? I mean I already know why, but your bias manifests in such a shitty argument full of holes that anyone could refute in 5 minutes that I'd be ashamed to post what you said myself, and so should you.

it is an imbalace that proves SCH has yet to be ironed out properly