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    Scholar has little to none MP problem so I don't mind if the ability cost more than WHM equivalent.
    If they give Scholar AoE heal, it will be come superior to WHM. Same heal, have pet, no mp and threat problem.....It shouldn't be that way.
    Succor serves as a pre-shield. It is supposed to compliment not to compete against Medica.
    Thou I do agree its mechanic can be more interesting. Make Physick or Aldo crit procs a buff that double the shield of Succor in the next 10-15 sec.
    Also Sacred Soil should be changed. It should give an extra effect for one of Scholar ability if the Scholar is standing on it, instead of a weak 15% proc chance.
    Last but not least, a lot of people say about manually control Embrace. While it is good, i feel that the manual cast from pet is fine. It will heal whoever need i. I would rather manually control her cooldowns than control her Embrace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miridori View Post
    Scholar has little to none MP problem so I don't mind if the ability cost more than WHM equivalent.
    WHM don't have MP problems either. Even less so with a bard in full parties.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miridori View Post
    If they give Scholar AoE heal, it will be come superior to WHM. Same heal, have pet, no mp and threat problem.....It shouldn't be that way.
    I just mentioned WHM do not have MP problems. SCH can't stack shields, and regen stacking from medica ii+regen is still really powerful. Last I checked, no one here is asking to have cure iii, medica ii, or regen which really puts WHM over the top in AOE healing. So no, SCH getting the normal, HOT-less medica isn't going to make WHM useless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miridori View Post
    Succor serves as a pre-shield. It is supposed to compliment not to compete against Medica.
    It doesn't do much else besides that very well since it'll take twice as long, and twice the MP to heal as much as medica. It's just bad for AOE.
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    Yes, well-gear WHM will have little mana issue. But in a long draw fight they will get low and they cannot spam as much as scholar.

    I agree stacking regen is very strong and it is the reason 2 WHM is viable. However, giving scholar instant AoE heal will make 2 scholars very potent as well (because of their pets), might be even stronger than 1 scholar 1 whm (might be). I liek class diversity and I like classes to have strength and weakness.

    Are we able to do all the 4 man content perfectly fine?
    Are we valuable to 8-man as much as people will prefer 1 scholar/1 whm than 2 whm?

    If the answer are both yes, I see no problem in our current position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miridori View Post
    If the answer are both yes, I see no problem in our current position.
    Different classes are different I know, but you can't validate one class being at least 100% better than another class in a situation they're both expected to deal with, which is what the issue is now. Aoe damage tends to happen in bursts, and not all aoe is like the first boss of AV. Shield is moot after the hit, and all succor becomes is less than half a medica. It's arguably better for a SCH to just divert their attention and heal people individually with how bad succor is.

    You see nothing wrong with un-intuative pet control, and damn-near useless aoe heal?

    You see nothing wrong in a SCH not really being necessary? You think there's something wrong with 2 SCH in a full party actually being decent for once? Because 2 WHM are beyond decent, and that's apparently acceptable to you, but 2 SCH with medica would suddenly break the game? Shield's don't stack, and regens do. Please convince me how 2 SCH with medica would be broken.

    From your post, the answer to both these questions seem to be yes, so I very much doubt we're playing the same game here. SCH have tools that do not work/are not useful/cannot be counted on majority of the time. Classes shouldn't be balanced around tools that don't work.
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    Last edited by fanservice; 09-17-2013 at 11:31 AM.