Please buff Succor.

[Alu79]

I actually like that. No need to add a second spell, and succor remains unique, no matter what it won't be a waste to chain cast succor if need be.

So, does SE read these forums? Or should I post these ideas somewhere else?

[ApolloGenX]

I actually like that. No need to add a second spell, and succor remains unique, no matter what it won't be a waste to chain cast succor if need be.

But does that just become a more powerful version of medica 2?

Either burst healing or shielding, with no mana issues, all heal upfront? Seems like it would make SCH greatly surpass whm in group burst heal- especially with free group regen in pet

Without shields stacking, one SCH triggering both doing full burst heals would make SCH x 2 the best setup by far.

It would also kill class synergy... whm can regen under shields... with this, SCH would shield, and then just overpower whm, and regens would just be overheal.

[Alu79]

But does that just become a more powerful version of medica 2?

Either burst healing or shielding, with no mana issues, all heal upfront? Seems like it would make SCH greatly surpass whm in group burst heal- especially with free group regen in pet

Without shields stacking, one SCH triggering both doing full burst heals would make SCH x 2 the best setup by far.

It would also kill class synergy... whm can regen under shields... with this, SCH would shield, and then just overpower whm, and regens would just be overheal.

How would it be a stronger version of medica 2? If Medica 2's regen is wasted then so is the shield, if medica 2's regen is used, so is the shields.. I am not seeing how or where it is stronger than Medica 2.

Maybe you are misunderstanding the idea? S = shield and H = heal - Lets say first cast is say a 200h/200s, second cast is consuming the 200s from the first succor to add it to the second ones healing so that it looks like 400h/200s - this way the spell isn't wasted because make no mistake that this spell is COMPLETELY wasted by being spammed during aoe phases whether it is a single sch spamming it or two sch spamming it.

If our mana is your issue then the fix to that is simply bumping mana cost up to match Medica 2's mana cost whenever Succor is used in this manner, not that succor is a cheap spell to cast at 400 mana. Problem solved, ya? I mean I don't see the posts of SCH complaining that a whm is OP with a bard in the group.. this is getting silly.

PS: Why are you ok with half a spells effectiveness being COMPLETELY wasted, and, again, make no mistake - it is completely wasted during aoe phases where it is spammed, but not ok with us having some method of getting full use out of it?
PPS: Why aren't you asking for a tweak to Shroud of saints passive? Instead of just a bump to 80 refresh it could also knock 30 sec off of the cd.
PSPS: The no mana issue thing is silly, you think SCH never oom? We do, we just never do for very long. Our mana recovery is strong, but botch your mana usage while it is on CD and see if it is an issue or not trying to aoe heal for 150 potency at 400 mana a pop.. it sucks, but you already know all about similar things being a whm.

[ApolloGenX]

At the very least, they need to add a toggle for autocast on pets. You should be able to toggle off pet casting of abilities to reserve those for when you want to use them.

If you toggled off the pet AE heal (just one example), that would at least give you a readily available group heal in addition to your other abilities, although it would be a 30 second CD- which again seems kind of long to me.

A logical management system with pet abilities would open up all of the pet abilities as "secondary" abilities available to SCH in a meaningful way. With that fixed, it would be more useful to re-evaluate the complete toolkit to get a better picture of the class.

Right now spastic AI and pet commands foul up the availability of abilities, which are being factored into the SCH toolkit as a whole... which may or may not be meaningful, due to pet issues.

[twinklover]

But does that just become a more powerful version of medica 2?

It would make the spell equal potency to medica . Remember succor is 150 potency heal and 150 potency shield . It also costs more mana then medica.

2 succor = 150,150+150,150 = 600 potency
2 medica = 300+300= 600 potency
1 medica 2, 1 medica = 200+500+300= 1000 potency

[ApolloGenX]

It would make the spell equal potency to medica . Remember succor is 150 potency heal and 150 potency shield . It also costs more mana then medica.

2 succor = 150,150+150,150 = 600 potency
2 medica = 300+300= 600 potency
1 medica 2, 1 medica = 200+500+300= 1000 potency

Converting succor to a 300 potency burst heal would be giving SCH medica.. and the shield would only apply if shielding is used... so I guess the question is... why not just take succor and give SCH medica? You are homogenizing anyway, just do it completely. If they are going to have medica, just take the other shields away, the pet has an AE regen, so no need for medica 2... and take away Aetherflow and give them SoS.

Unless they use the pet to help suppliment or fix it, you are just going to end up with a class that plays even more like a whm.

[Alu79]

Converting succor to a 300 potency burst heal would be giving SCH medica.. and the shield would only apply if shielding is used... so I guess the question is... why not just take succor and give SCH medica? You are homogenizing anyway, just do it completely. If they are going to have medica, just take the other shields away, the pet has an AE regen, so no need for medica 2... and take away Aetherflow and give them SoS.

Unless they use the pet to help suppliment or fix it, you are just going to end up with a class that plays even more like a whm.

Instead of trying to keep whm op or keep sch up why not come up with something instead of parroting that giving us aoe would make us whm. Did you know Physick is EXACTLY same as cure? Does that make us whm? I mean, it is identical right so clearly we are trying to be whm? How about you stop this crap already? We are attempting to discuss fixes and you are parroting that it is too similar to whm.

Well, guess what, we are both healers. THERE WILL BE SIMILARITIES - GET OVER IT.

If we are on par with whm it wouldn't change anything, you will still get taken cause you have a far superior healing kit and you are faceroll easy to play. Whm is so op that the ONLY issue they have is mana. Oh wait, nm there is a bard in the group lol Cause you know you can't take 2 steps with out slamming into one.

[sharazisspecial]

There would be zero difference in how sch would play with this change.

Currently we pre cast succor for shield and then cast succor 4 more times to match whm potency of just 2 spells.
With this change we would need to cast 1 or 2 less succors.

This change would cause less of our healing to be wasted by no effect on shielded targets. this change will just make the party not be completely screwed when duty finder puts 2 sch together .Also helps sch to not cast extremely mana inefficient spells since they have no choice.

[twinklover]

Duty finder crystal tower with only sch healers imagine that lols. Even just more then 1 sch would gimp the party so much.

bard in the group

Bard just has so much utility that you would be gimp without one. Silence, high constant and mobile ranged dps, foe requiem , rain of death ,ballad and battle voice.

Sch needs bards too they run out mana as well in fights that require alot of healing. Lustrate needed to keep up tank(otherwise sch falls behind whm in tank healing) , adloquium costing 53 more mana then cure2 while healing much less.Along with needing to cast more succors to make up for their lower healing potency.

[Valiant]

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The problem with the trolls saying SCH is OP is that they only look at SCH by the tooltips and not actually bother to level it and truly see what it's capable of... Such as for SCH to be good they should crit alot.. Most hardly crit, especially when it's needed. I'd rather at the moment have 2 WHMs hit me with regen and medica 2 than rely on a SCHs shield since the amount gained from regen is more than what one shield prevents (i tried it and i know it's true (50 CNJ and ACN)) SCHs have a desperate need to be ironed out with their mechanics to be on par with WHMs and a properly working faerie AI. Since I should not have to cast for my faerie while I'm healing.