Gamepads over keyboards FAIL!

[MewMewMeow]

OP you are wrong.

Here's a good example, the arrow keys on a controller are used for several commands because of its lack of buttons which hinders game play. When I am in battle and hit the up and down arrows on my keyboard all the only thing that should happen is changing the selected ability bar 1-3, however this isn't the only thing the arrow keys do. All too often I will be fighting something and want to change my ability bar from 1 to 2 and instead all of a sudden I just targeted something else, because the arrow keys also change target, so now I am dead because I couldn't get to my cure quick enough WHY IS THIS???


How the controller works. This is exactly what happens.

DPAD changes targeting type [ ENEMY PARTY FRIENDLY ]

Press A Once, a circle should appear around the target. The color of the circle relates to the color of the target type.
Enemy RED Party Blue Friendly yellow/gold

Press left or right on the dpad to then cycle through targets.

Press A again to set that target.

Your action bar now appears you can now use left and right to cycle through your action bars choose a spell or attack.




For keyboards.

The arrows on your keyboard work the same exact way except replace A from my controller instructions with [Left Click].

U D L R (arrows) on keyboard

UD changes target type [ENEMY PARTY FRIENDLY]

LR changes target selection

You are also incorrect about target mode a the dpad nor the arrow UDLR keys do not change target mode.

Also in the latest update we now have the ability to change target options in target mode A, but not for keyboard users, they just forgot about us I guess. You have to hit the auto-run button + Select to change the target mode to "enemy." Well, guess what my keyboard came without a select button, and no, the enter key does not work. So that tells me SE couldn't care less about keyboard users which is a shame because I am pretty sure every single person playing this game right now is using a keyboard or at least has one attached to their computer. Please SE put the keyboard first and the gamepad second it will make playing this game so much easier and versatile.

/targetmode(/tmode) SubCommand
>>SubCommand
　a 　Switch target mode to A
　b 　Switch target mode to B

you need to input said command with your keyboard in the chat box to swap target modes.



While the only thing I agree with Op about is that advancements should be made on customization and separation of input devices I disagree with all other complaints. It is a lack of knowledge on ability to play the game.

All of my comments are made from experience and use.

Controller Owned - XBOX 360 Wired USB

[CoolBlitz]

Just bring FFXI interface back, and there problem solves.

[JackDaniels]

Just bring FFXI interface back, and there problem solves.

This, also make f1 - f8 for party member selection, and make f9 the new f8.

[Viridiana]

OP you are wrong.

Here's a good example, the arrow keys on a controller are used for several commands because of its lack of buttons which hinders game play. When I am in battle and hit the up and down arrows on my keyboard all the only thing that should happen is changing the selected ability bar 1-3, however this isn't the only thing the arrow keys do. All too often I will be fighting something and want to change my ability bar from 1 to 2 and instead all of a sudden I just targeted something else, because the arrow keys also change target, so now I am dead because I couldn't get to my cure quick enough WHY IS THIS???


How the controller works. This is exactly what happens.

DPAD changes targeting type [ ENEMY PARTY FRIENDLY ]

Press A Once, a circle should appear around the target. The color of the circle relates to the color of the target type.
Enemy RED Party Blue Friendly yellow/gold

Press left or right on the dpad to then cycle through targets.

Press A again to set that target.

Your action bar now appears you can now use left and right to cycle through your action bars choose a spell or attack.

I'm not sure you understand what's happening. Up and Down arrows on the keyboard are supposed to change the action bar. I've had an issue many times before in which, instead of changing the action bar, the same keys changed targets. This was after having locked onto my target, and, indeed, having attacked enough times to build up TP for the weaponskill on my second bar. This is with targeting type A, so there are no "types" for it to cycle through; it just decided to change my target instead of my action bar.

Obviously, there's a problem here, and I'd say it stems from the fact that all in-game functions are bound to the same small set of keys. Realistically, I have hundreds, if not over a thousand, button combinations I could be binding these functions to. That is, if we could bind our own keys. . .

[Arcell]

There are enough buttons on the gamepad to cover the functions needed. True keyboards have more but why add unnecessary functions just to use up keys? The development of this game has always held both PC and PS3 in mind, that being said they needed to design a control scheme that works for both. As a gamepad user I find the control scheme at this point to be more or less perfect. I've used strictly keyboard a few times and it seems fine, any problems would stem from me not being used to using it.

Also using a gamepad has nothing to do with being lazy and everything to do with preference. Growing up I didn't have a computer that could run a ton of games so I mostly played games on consoles. As such that's simply my most comfortable preference. Those who played XI extensively obviously have a greater affinity for the keyboard scheme.

[Scarface]

Buy a gamepad? You sound mad >.>

It makes my life a lot easier, last thing I need is to be at working in front of a keyboard for 8hrs, then go home and use a keyboard for another X amount of hours. NO thanks.

[MewMewMeow]

I'm not sure you understand what's happening. Up and Down arrows on the keyboard are supposed to change the action bar. I've had an issue many times before in which, instead of changing the action bar, the same keys changed targets. This was after having locked onto my target, and, indeed, having attacked enough times to build up TP for the weaponskill on my second bar. This is with targeting type A, so there are no "types" for it to cycle through; it just decided to change my target instead of my action bar.

Obviously, there's a problem here, and I'd say it stems from the fact that all in-game functions are bound to the same small set of keys. Realistically, I have hundreds, if not over a thousand, button combinations I could be binding these functions to. That is, if we could bind our own keys. . .

Ok I know up and down change action bar but for them to do that you must be in the right step.

Select Target with left click or tab.

The circle appears

up and down dont cycle through spells/actions yet. if you press up or down in this step you will change target. (even on my controller this happens.)

Press 1(or any action) the 3 gold lines appear around the circle on the target

press up or down it now cycles through your action bar.

this is what happens with target mode b with keyboard

same as controller as i explained above.

I could be mistaken but I see no reason why target mode a should work different than i just explained. I personally do not use it and will do testing tonight when i get home.

Do you play with the auto lock feature? I don't maybe there is a bug with either the targeting mode or the auto lock option altering something to screw up targeting/actionbar binding to arrow keys.

All I know is I do not experience any of the problems the OP experiences or you nor anyone in my LS. I think it is the inability to understand the steps of what i am describing or could be linked to target mode a bug/glitch somehow.

again testing will take place tonight. Please provide me with more info of your settings if possible.

[Cairdeas]

Yup 16 Buttons.

Up,
Down,
Left,
Right,
Select,
Start,
Square,
Triangle,
Circle,
Cross,
L1,
L2,
L3,
R1,
R2,
R3,

But then you also have.

L1 + Square
L1 + Triangle
L1 + Circle
L1 + Cross
L1 + L3
L1 + R2
L1 + Select
L1 + Start
L1 + ....

Really do I have to keep going?

Not to mention Pressure Buttons

Square Tap, Square Hold, Circle Tap, Circle Hold, etc.

[Viridiana]

All I know is I do not experience any of the problems the OP experiences or you nor anyone in my LS. I think it is the inability to understand the steps of what i am describing or could be linked to target mode a bug/glitch somehow.

This is what I'm thinking, honestly. I know to wait until the action bar shows up, but it still sometimes changes my target instead. Even if this is only a bug, it wouldn't be happening if the keys were bound differently. Note that I've also had the (unrelated) bug of the keys just not changing the bar at all, despite being on the right "step," so another bug wouldn't really surprise me. And, of course, there's the even less related bug where Shift+attack key doesn't start a battle regimen. Basically, combat's really buggy. . .

[Kurokikaze]

The fact that playing with a keyboard requires 3 hands to do it comfortably means SE has failed miserably.