If you're pulling with Provoke you're doing it wrong

[rzr22]

That's how you insta-spot a nub tank.

And shame on you SE for allowing such a horrible tooltip into the final game.

[NoctisCaelus]

I guess I'm a noob. It's a long range pull. Sometimes you need to, sometimes you don't and shield lob would do. But certain situations might call for it.

[rzr22]

Certainly you can deduce I am speaking of those that use it 100% of the time.

[Syfin]

Thanks for stating the obvious.

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

I guess I'm a noob. It's a long range pull. Sometimes you need to, sometimes you don't and shield lob would do. But certain situations might call for it.

The problem is that you waste a very valuable skill, put on cooldown for 40 sec, for absolutely no advantage: provoke does no aggro. You'll still have to lob, flash or throw a few damage abilities in order to hold aggro beyond your DD's first skill or your healer's first heal.

Provoke puts you on top of the aggro list, but that's all it does: immediately after, you're bound to go down this list if you don't do anything else. Which means that it's invaluable if your objective is to get back a mob to you: provoke then lob does wonders to do that. Typically, after pulling with lob then flashing the whole pack, if some DDs go crazy on AoE, or your healer needs to put some heavy curing out there, chances are a mob will go to them: that's when provoke is your best friend, followed by something else to keep you on top of the aggro list for some time.

Keeping Provoke as a "panic button" is probably the best way to use it when regular means don't work, or the mob is too far away from you and for some reason you wish to stay where you are and force the mob to come back.

[joshdavis271]

I use provoke to grab the enemy who is attack my healer of course I follow up with flash and rage combo for good measure.

[rzr22]

Thanks for stating the obvious.

You'd think it would be. Try leveling up a DPS or even a healer in pug dungeons. If you aren't raging 90% of the time, you're one lucky person.

[Lucroarna]

Consider the source. This guy's a 40 archer. He probably goes all out within 5 seconds of the pull +bloodletter and then blames the tank for not having provoke.

Just a quick tidbit: Leveling PLD, did a dungeon today, took 5 flashes to get all the mobs to get on me finally. 2 archers, both attacking 2 targets. Then called me a failure at life. I left the DF midpull and left them with repair bills.

[rzr22]

Consider the source. This guy's a 40 archer. He probably goes all out within 5 seconds of the pull +bloodletter and then blames the tank for not having provoke.

Just a quick tidbit: Leveling PLD, did a dungeon today, took 5 flashes to get all the mobs to get on me finally. 2 archers, both attacking 2 targets. Then called me a failure at life. I left the DF midpull and left them with repair bills.

You can't hold aggro without me needing to wait? My brother can. You bad?

I like how you're accusing me of something when I've simply stated a bad tanking practice. Are you saying pulling with provoke is a good thing? lolnub

[NoctisCaelus]

Snip.

I never had a problem with aggro. That's cause if I lure, my team knows to wait for me to generate necessary hate as well after I positioned them. You don't always need to save your provokes.