WAR Underwhelming?

[Syfin]

I believe he's laughing because you seem to have misunderstood your role as a WAR (at least that's my guess =P ).

Long story short PLD is a main tank that's meant to take damage from the heavier hitting bosses whereas a WAR is an off tank. It serves a duel role in that it can dish out damage like a DD but it can also tank to a certain extent. This is a role that is best suited to help with crowd control during boss fights with adds or trash mobs while running dungeons...

So, in other words, we have do not belong in Titan fight. We cant dps as well as a true dps class and so PTs will just use a pld and 5 dps. This is a design flaw.

[Asael]

So, in other words, we have do not belong in Titan fight. We cant dps as well as a true dps class and so PTs will just use a pld and 5 dps. This is a design flaw.

Not necessarily, WAR can still dish out a hefty amount of damage. The key is to have yourself properly geared, and to know your abilities. In Titan your role would be primarily a DD role, so here you wouldn't put up defiance (as that lowers your damage output by 25%). Also it helps if you keep Maim up as that will give you a 20% boost to damage. Heck even when I have defiance up I can still crit for well over 300, outside of defiance I'm doing even more.

[Oriachim]

Not necessarily, WAR can still dish out a hefty amount of damage. The key is to have yourself properly geared, and to know your abilities. In Titan your role would be primarily a DD role, so here you wouldn't put up defiance (as that lowers your damage output by 25%). Also it helps if you keep Maim up as that will give you a 20% boost to damage. Heck even when I have defiance up I can still crit for well over 300, outside of defiance I'm doing even more.

What use is warrior dps if dark light warriors are getting killed fast compared to dark light paladins?

[Syfin]

Lol @Leafcore. Youre ignorance is astounding.

[DukeGr]

Things look pretty simple for me, WAR needs +10 lvl gear over PLD to tank the same boss more efficiently, on the other hand WAR does heaps more dps(i do 700 crits) and can manage multi-aggro situations better. Both PLD and WAR can manage to do the same things some do it better than the other and thats why we got 2 tank jobs and not 1. None is superior or inferior.

[Syfin]

Things look pretty simple for me, WAR needs +10 lvl gear over PLD to tank the same boss more efficiently, on the other hand WAR does heaps more dps(i do 700 crits) and can manage multi-aggro situations better. Both PLD and WAR can manage to do the same things some do it better than the other and thats why we got 2 tank jobs and not 1. None is superior or inferior.

So if we need +10 gear, how will we tank coil? My problem with the way things are now is that a pt can be made of a pld dps and healer for Titan. WAR IS inferior in that fight and only brings a pt down. Basically , to get my relic I need to be carried or have an insanely good healer or be wearing ALL DL and maybe some AF2 just to be sure. Castrum here I come...

[Syfin]

Not necessarily, WAR can still dish out a hefty amount of damage. The key is to have yourself properly geared, and to know your abilities. In Titan your role would be primarily a DD role, so here you wouldn't put up defiance (as that lowers your damage output by 25%). Also it helps if you keep Maim up as that will give you a 20% boost to damage. Heck even when I have defiance up I can still crit for well over 300, outside of defiance I'm doing even more.

I dont think you understood what I was saying. Thanks for trying to educate me, but my point was that we still dont do as much dps and that makes us unnecessary and eventually unwanted for that fight.

[Asael]

I dont think you understood what I was saying. Thanks for trying to educate me, but my point was that we still dont do as much dps and that makes us unnecessary and eventually unwanted for that fight.

kay, I get you, but you have to understand that's part of the balancing. You're not going to be able to dish out damage say like a DRG or BRD because you give up a little bit of that prowess in order to tank. It would be unbalanced and OP for you to be able to do both. No one is going to disband parties over a slight dps decrease, and if they do well good riddance wouldn't want to party with people like that anyways.

What use is warrior dps if dark light warriors are getting killed fast compared to dark light paladins?

Can't speak for the people having that issue, but I've tanked fights like Ifirit HM on WAR with minor issues. Though I would imagine there is going to be a point (like Titian HM) where it would be impractical for WAR to main tank. Again, at this point WAR fills into a DD role. That extra DPS can mean the difference between losing or winning a major fight. As for the, "well lets just replace war with a harder hitting DD" bit; you have to deal with the cards you've been dealt. Secondly, its still has the ability to tank on a moments notice which makes WAR really handy as a back up tank in the event the PLD goes down. WAR can survive long enough for the healer to get the PLD back up on his feet and back into the fight. Either way you look at it WAR definitely has its uses.