Even out aoe tank

[Zfz]

We use an axe. You use a dagger.

Give us Fan of Knives then. Cone AOE that has 120 degrees coverage and hits as far as 30 meters! Yay!

The point is it is frustrating leveling having one aoe enmity vs 2 when 90% of the dps in groups doesn't have the brain power to stay on marked targets, aoe slept adds etc. flash is not enough

Not at all. Paladins have the supreme upper hand here in leveling content. We are the only class in the game that can build enmity safely on sleeping mobs. You see those Marauders crying in the corner? Yes some of them even though about investing in PIE.

Flash is not enough on active mobs, but more than enough on sleeping mobs.

[Kitru]

The point is it is frustrating leveling having one aoe enmity vs 2 when 90% of the dps in groups doesn't have the brain power to stay on marked targets, aoe slept adds etc. flash is not enough

If you seriously think that having Overpower and Flash on a PAL rather than just Flash would somehow make a difference in your AoE threat generation, you really don't know what you're talking about. The only time it'd be useful is if you Flash spam so much that you run out of mp and still, somehow, need more AoE threat. Considering you can Flash spam a good 8+ times before you run out of mp, that's a *massive* edge case.

I also laugh that you somehow think that Flash is an automatic WAR additional. I've never had it on my bar. Ever. And I never needed it. I also never needed more than Flash on my PAL (and I pug a *crapton*). If you need more than *either* Flash or Overpower, it's not the people you're running with that don't know what they're doing.

[Floyd]

You can have overpower if we get the 20% damage reduction, and all those other things that make the PLD, a PLD.

[xenosuke1]

if you are having threat problems on adds as a pld, thn your not tanking right (no offense). here try the rotation i do. it keeps adds under control 95% of the time.

1. pull with shield lob of course, i like to do it with provoke sometimes because it has a greater distance than shield lob in case you want to pull specific enemy thats around other mobs that wont aggro.
2.(use circle of scorn if your lvl 50) thn fast blade initial target thn savage blade, follow with flash.
3. cycle to 2nd target and use rage of halone. thn fast blade. cycle to 3rd target and use savage blade followed by flash (use circle of scorn if off cd).
4. cycle to 4th target if there is one and continue on with rotation if not, thn cycle back to 1rst target. continue rotaion till all ads are dead.

this is a great rotation for multiple adds, i dnt recommend it for more then 4 adds, because the time it will take u to cycle to 5th add continuing rotation, u might loose hate, but it is doable so id say add a second flash jus incase.

[castillle]

Sure give PLD Overpower. But PLD will have to give WAR Rampart or just the Rage of Halone debuff on our Butchers Block. No reason to buff Paladin if you aren't buffing Warriors at the same time.

[Kenka]

I..

Just don't see the necessity for this..

[antiviolence]

Sure give PLD Overpower. But PLD will have to give WAR Rampart or just the Rage of Halone debuff on our Butchers Block. No reason to buff Paladin if you aren't buffing Warriors at the same time.

I'll grab Rampart.

[Lemon8or]

I don't get why you're asking for overpower. I rarely ever use it as Warrior. Usually run in tomahawk, flash, butcher's block combo on 3 mobs. Done. If any mobs escape my aggro and run to healer, tomahawk again.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

I think once you have Shield Oath at level 40, a good amount of your AoE enmity concerns will subside.

Anything beyond that may be on your party members not managing their enmity (e.g. Quelling Strikes before going AoE nuts) or having them stand near you to Cover them for two casts/vollies if they don't have Quelling Strikes. Or in the case of single target damage dealers, they should be assisting you on your target ideally if they want the fight to end with less resources concerned and without them taking hate.

[Coramac]

Not trying to QQ here but if mrd/war can use flash shouldn't gld/pld get the same access to overpower? It just seems like it should be available to me.

At 32, you do not have access to Shield Oath while a War has access to Defiance. Your flash is significantly less agro because it does not have the Shield Oath threat mod.