Stunbot is NOT fun

[Amas]

I strongly agree. I have not reached hard mode Ifrit yet but have seen a complete video of the encounter. The stun bot role was the stupidest thing I could have imagined. Part of the problem is how horribly the interrupt mechanic is implemented. Either long cool down stuns or stuns on gcd which are both horrible ideas when a boss fight REQUIRES constant interrupting.

Quite honestly, a single PLD can tank + stun that fight without difficulty.

The Eruptions are on extremely predictable patterns, so there should be no reason to just sit around waiting to stun, and thus you are hardly simply a "stun bot".

If you have an off-tank stunning, they should be DPSing their face off (as best a tank can, anyway) between Eruptions. If you get too focused on DPS before Hellfire, it's not even a big deal because Eruption is pants until the last half of the fight.

I actually feel the opposite the Stun mechanic. Other games have every class toting off-GCD interrupts on short timers, which trivializes all casting mechanics on any enemy which isn't immune. Thus, all bosses wind up immune and interrupting ceases to be a mechanic for the bulk of endgame.

On top of that, I like the trade-off between zero-CD on-GCD stun and high-CD off-GCD stun. Certainly a lot of groups will tend towards a PLD "stun bot" but quite honestly most competent FCs running endgame will look for more risky strategies that permit them to bring more DPS or healing to bear on any fight that doesn't explicitly require 2 tanks.

[ZenBear]

Quite honestly, a single PLD can tank + stun that fight without difficulty.

The Eruptions are on extremely predictable patterns, so there should be no reason to just sit around waiting to stun, and thus you are hardly simply a "stun bot".

You're not the first to say this, but I've yet to see anyone prove it. If you have a link to a video that shows yourself or some other PLD tanking HM Ifrit and interrupting him, pleas add it as I'm sure everyone would like to see it.

I don't doubt your claim, but the "stun bot" mechanic has been so prevalent since launch that I feel the only way to banish it from the current meta is to provide hard evidence disproving its necessity.

[Dosito]

So about the interuptions... is more anticipation for the stuns? Or is it after a certian rotation of ifrit rotation?

[Prince_Myshkin]

When I get comfortable with timing, I can use more skills and stun. I still use some, but I've been cautious. Either way, I still don't think that so much responsibility should be on one person. If I remember, hydra is way worse for stun mechanics, but it could be one the same cast time.

[Yitan]

If you don't want responsability you might be playing the wrong class, my dear.

Things like these is what makes tanks challenging and fun, IMHO.

[Prince_Myshkin]

If you don't want responsability you might be playing the wrong class, my dear.

Things like these is what makes tanks challenging and fun, IMHO.

I already anticipated this comment in the OP...

But I don't see how stunning is what makes (even in part) a tank. Tanks are about holding aggro and taking damage. All of our other spells are about threat and increasing defenses.

I don't deny that we can have some other responsibilities, I just don't like when they overwhelm the other roles we have.

[Thunderz]

The only reason for the 2nd Tank slot is for stun if that wasn't the case then we wouldn't need a 2nd Tank for that fight at all

[Kanti]

Change up your strategy. I acted as sole stunner during phase 1 as DRG without dropping my dps all that much, and co-stunned with our tank during phase 2 with no problems. So many jobs have a stun move that you probably don't even need to be the one doing it as a paladin. Just because people tell you a strategy doesn't mean you HAVE to follow it, find something that works better for you.

In the case of eruptions, every single one can be avoided if you aren't bad at dodging, that's just a "get gud" problem.

[Prince_Myshkin]

The thing that annoys me is that I watch very carefully for the skill to come up and still end up missing at least one during the fights. I've played plenty of MMOs and FPS games. I don't see how it is possible that I could be missing any... And when it is another PLD stunning, they normally miss at least one. I don't see how people get 100% stuns.

In any case I, again, hate the mechanic.

[Ruminate]

The thing that annoys me is that I watch very carefully for the skill to come up and still end up missing at least one during the fights. I've played plenty of MMOs and FPS games. I don't see how it is possible that I could be missing any... And when it is another PLD stunning, they normally miss at least one. I don't see how people get 100% stuns.

In any case I, again, hate the mechanic.

Okay. If you're "missing" at least ONE during the fight, thats okay. Its okay but if you do it perfectly, ONE of the attacks will go off because of DR on stuns. So you can be at ease knowing thats not your fault.