Stunbot is NOT fun

[Abbycat]

You have to hit ONE button that WHOLE fight.... how is that stressful
You will NEVER tank ANYTHING passed HM ifrit with that mentality

It is not stressful at all. Thats the problem. Its utterly boring and uninteresting and its basically SE way to say: "We know these fights are fine with 1 tank but df needs 2 tanks so here we go".
I mean its fine on ifrit since there is a predictable pattern so at least but since the stun is on gcd if there is no real pattern you basically just autoattack for a fight. Woohooo.

I don't mind stuff like this now and then but 2 tank content so far is utterly shit for one tank always.
There is a reason why most wow 2 tank fights have mechanics that require tank switch or just come with 2 tankable stuff at once.

[Ryuko]

I do feel sort of bad that paladins get the blame if a group wipes on Ifrit (hard). It's because offtank paladins literally have one job -- stunning. I remember the days when people actually had to avoid eruptions... and they didn't have to rely on a paladin to constantly interrupt them. I originally avoided interruptions when I saw them (in 2.0) but then my linkshell paladin teased me and said I have 'no faith'. So, I started standing still... Buuuut, if he messed up or lagged or someone else stunned making Ifrit 'immune'? I was probably dead.

I wish Ifrit had more mechanics than just stun bot. The healers and dps have it really easy compared to the person who has to literally sit there and WAIT for an ability or the whole group wipes. DPS and even healers can drop and the fight can still progress -- but if the paladin messes up? Oh, well that's a problem. I have a feeling that this fight was intended to be won without so many stuns -- or SE assumed that people with stuns would 'take turns' during a stun order (if you join DF with two warriors, they usually switch off while one main tanks). When paladins were allowed to have a nearly instant stun, that is when they started turning into stunbot.

[Zfz]

As a tank (not that I'm there yet but I've been tanking for years since WoW) I don't mind that job. Every class will eventually get shafted in one of the encounters, it's just our turn first.

Even if Shield Bash is off GCD, you're still bound by your animations. And if you've just happened to hit Rage of Halone, say goodbye to half your party because Shield Bash will not come out.

Since Ifrit (story) I've always thought this was gonna be a problem. When people know you can stun Eruption, they will start to get lazy and demand that you do. That may be fine for some other mechanics, but for something as simple as Eruption, I think it's bet to just make Ifrit immune to stuns and force people to move. We have enough DPS who can only tunnel vision on their hotbar and their rotation. What better time to start training them than now?

Or maybe not make it immune, but make it so that each time Eruption is interrupted, Ifrit gains one stack of Enrage that gives him +10% skill speed, lasts for 30 seconds. Parties can choose to stun and heal through +200% skill speed in the end, or choose to avoid Eruption.

[ZenBear]

Since Ifrit (story) I've always thought this was gonna be a problem. When people know you can stun Eruption, they will start to get lazy and demand that you do. That may be fine for some other mechanics, but for something as simple as Eruption, I think it's bet to just make Ifrit immune to stuns and force people to move. We have enough DPS who can only tunnel vision on their hotbar and their rotation. What better time to start training them than now?

Ifrit HM needs to be reworked entirely. If you don't have a PLD to stun Eruption, you lose. If you don't have a BLM or SMN to Limit Break the Nails, you lose. It's just stupid, and honestly skill plays very little part in the whole run. All it is, is "Can you press this one button at the right time? Then you win." If they got rid of the required interrupt and instead added more of those Crimson Path dash attacks or something it would make for a far more interesting fight. Heaping all the responsibility on one/two players is poor design.

[Abbycat]

Ifrit HM needs to be reworked entirely. If you don't have a PLD to stun Eruption, you lose. If you don't have a BLM or SMN to Limit Break the Nails, you lose. It's just stupid, and honestly skill plays very little part in the whole run. All it is, is "Can you press this one button at the right time? Then you win." If they got rid of the required interrupt and instead added more of those Crimson Path dash attacks or something it would make for a far more interesting fight. Heaping all the responsibility on one/two players is poor design.

Without a BLM or SMN you can always just kill 3 nails and survive with tank cd without a problem. But i agree. I dont want to do ifrit with 2 marauders and no bard...

[Viridiana]

Ifrit HM needs to be reworked entirely. If you don't have a PLD to stun Eruption, you lose. If you don't have a BLM or SMN to Limit Break the Nails, you lose. It's just stupid, and honestly skill plays very little part in the whole run. All it is, is "Can you press this one button at the right time? Then you win." If they got rid of the required interrupt and instead added more of those Crimson Path dash attacks or something it would make for a far more interesting fight. Heaping all the responsibility on one/two players is poor design.

Opinion; wrong; wrong; and more opinion. Not that I would disagree with a rework, as I think the current setup is a little silly, but I don't think it's *needed*. As every PLD blamed for missing a stun he didn't miss will attest, other classes have plenty of stuns. Not that you even need to stun, honestly. Heck, in 1.0 it wasn't possible to stun, and we got by with dodging. And I've seen plenty of groups succeed with no AOE Limit Break, and it wasn't by using the Tank Limit Break, either. You single-target LB the first nail, burn two, LB+burn the fourth nail. There's plenty of time to accomplish that, trust me. And honestly, I've seen groups manage to struggle even when the PLD on stun duty was doing admirably. There's no helping some people.

[Ghettobird52]

[QUOTE=Zfz;1267813]As a tank (not that I'm there yet but I've been tanking for years since WoW) I don't mind that job. Every class will eventually get shafted in one of the encounters, it's just our turn first.[QUOTE]

This is the best reply in this whole thread, I come from wow as well and just as Zfz states "Every class will eventually get shafted in one of the encounters," and that's the truth. So be it that the first one Is paladin, There will be more exactly like this but with another class in the position. Its just our position as a pally in the fight. GET OVER IT. Jesus Christ.

[Abbycat]

You don't even have to do anything wrong while on stun duty.
All it needs is some stupid dps that spams their stun too and triggers DR.

All in short: I really hope SE steps up their 2 tank fights. So far its boring bullshit. You either are stunbot. Or only there to pick adds twice a fight..or even completly useless since people take only 1 tank to titan...
I am happy I haven't seen coil yet so there is little hope it will be better...

[Kaalan]

Ifrit HM needs to be reworked entirely. If you don't have a PLD to stun Eruption, you lose. If you don't have a BLM or SMN to Limit Break the Nails, you lose. It's just stupid, and honestly skill plays very little part in the whole run. All it is, is "Can you press this one button at the right time? Then you win." If they got rid of the required interrupt and instead added more of those Crimson Path dash attacks or something it would make for a far more interesting fight. Heaping all the responsibility on one/two players is poor design.

People need to stop this bullshit.
I have killed Ifrit many times with party where there was no PLD and no BLM/SMN. It requires a bit more attention and a little bit more skill but it is not that hard at all. With a PLD and a BLM/SMN, this fight is brain dead easy, without them there's actually a bit of challenge, what's the problem with that ?