So help me understand this new end game grind better

[Ruisu]

How about allowing us to purchase Animal Fat and Coke at high prices like in 1.0 rather than relying on goddamn tokens? It makes little sense for us to even bother with the gryphonskin/darksteel/vanya sets because they're incredibly taxing and it's just not worth being slightly better than Darklight.

How about giving us Darklight drops from dungeons as well alongside the token cost?

How about making rational decisions? AK farming is already growing tiresome.

[Vyserion]

We were progressing several times faster than they anticipated. They slowed us down. Welcome to balancing.

[Shiyo]

It takes a week, two at most, to gear in full darklight + GC level50 weapon. This game doesn't need to be beatable in a weekend like every other MMO out there. We need actual meaty content that lasts for 3-4 months between content updates or this game will fail.

Except it doesn't have meaty content. It has a little content that we must continue to farm i we want to see any more of the little content.

This game has more stuff to do at release than any MMO I've played at release except for GW2, but anet didn't really add much content in patches to the game so it got boring fast. This game has PLENTY to do, and I'm 0% bored of the grind and I'm in 95% darklight gear now.

It needs to be grindy, there aren't many 50 dungeons but there's plenty to actually keep you occupied, it's good design. Games like Rift/SWTOR/WOW where you beat them in a month/weekend aren't very good for keeping subs or making money.

[jpem]

It takes a week, two at most, to gear in full darklight + GC level50 weapon. This game doesn't need to be beatable in a weekend like every other MMO out there. We need actual meaty content that lasts for 3-4 months between content updates or this game will fail.

Except it doesn't have meaty content. It has a little content that we must continue to farm if we want to see any more of the little content.

[jpem]

This game has more stuff to do at release than any MMO I've played at release except for GW2, but anet didn't really add much content in patches to the game so it got boring fast. This game has PLENTY to do, and I'm 0% bored of the grind and I'm in 95% darklight gear now.

It needs to be grindy, there aren't many 50 dungeons but there's plenty to actually keep you occupied, it's good design. Games like Rift/SWTOR/WOW where you beat them in a month/weekend aren't very good for keeping subs or making money.

It has crafting, leveling alt classes, and a a few end game dungeons plus one raid. Every game has that and some other games launch with pvp, this decided not to. Leveling alts is a bit broken since despite giving you many ways to do it, they balanced it in a way that no one will want to do anything but fates. I'm not seeing the plethora of content. It will take you a while to do it all, but that isn't the same as having a lot to do or it being designed in a way that's particularly engaging.

[Strov]

Servers back up. Gilgamesh at least

[jpem]

Sorry for actually giving a shit about the genre and wanting to see it finally progress past it being expected for a game to be launched broken, launch with little but grindy content and follow the same old, same old formula all mmo's use. It's getting stale and is pretty much the COD genre of RPG's. Had this game been able to launch months later with pvp, the golden saucer, housing, a bunch of mini games, more jobs for each class, more dungeons/raids, got proper server testing we may have a different story on our hands. So yeah, they have some good stuff coming. But you have to keep people around first. But I guess I should go back to WoW. Even though I've barely played it.

[Shiyo]

I'm fairly confident Yoshi only played korean MMO's.

[Buddhsie]

I think the 80 Philo and 40 myth tokens are more than enough of a reward for completing such a short dungeon even with the trash mobs in it. Be happy we even get that much.. Plus gear from chests for your own job and other jobs you'll level later? Why are people even complaining?

[OrigamiElephant]

I think the 80 Philo and 40 myth tokens are more than enough of a reward for completing such a short dungeon even with the trash mobs in it. Be happy we even get that much.. Plus gear from chests for your own job and other jobs you'll level later? Why are people even complaining?

Because these kinds of people are born complainers. Products of an entitled upbringing. Uneducated to the laws of supply and demand. Intent on screaming and kicking their feet until they get their way.

Don't complain about the analogy either because from the perspective of those watching you lose your minds over the fact that you're ignoring half the content, and rushed to 50, that's EXACTLY what it looks like.