Thread: [Guide] Paladin Tanking Compendium 2.0

I was speaking about a main job yeah, my bad I'd not taken into account people with other jobs that are trying to gear multiple.
I'd still say Sauteed Coeurl was better, you're trading 5 Vitality for 23 Parry, then you've got the skill speed on top. Depending on how the game rounds, HQ Finger toast could be better too according to the stats on the initial post (22.84 parry vs 23 parry/15.45 vit vs 14 vit). With cost not being a factor I'd probably go with finger toast over la noscean due to this being min/max.

Originally Posted by symba

I was speaking about a main job yeah, my bad I'd not taken into account people with other jobs that are trying to gear multiple.
I'd still say Sauteed Coeurl was better, you're trading 5 Vitality for 23 Parry, then you've got the skill speed on top. Depending on how the game rounds, HQ Finger toast could be better too according to the stats on the initial post (22.84 parry vs 23 parry/15.45 vit vs 14 vit). With cost not being a factor I'd probably go with finger toast over la noscean due to this being min/max.

From what I've seen, game typically rounds down. Also, the HQ Finger Sandwich caps at 15vit, 27parry, and 9 accuracy. The reason to not use Finger Sandwich as far as I remember is that you are not maximizing the potential gains. Now, if Finger Sandwich and La Noscean Toast are the same price, it would be better to use the Finger Sandwich. Using Jahaudant's BiS chart you cannot get full potential of HQ Finger, but you are maxing out La Noscean Toast.

I realize I'm attempting to derail an ongoing discussion, but I have a few questions:

First, how are you all sequencing your defensive cooldowns? For longer fights, I just use them in no particular order, then I keep them on CD. If anyone has an intelligent framework of mind I might adopt for this, I'd be grateful.

Also, in the guide, the macro for Cover accidentally omits quotes, which Pixel should fix please.

Character limit...

More controversially, I'd like to propose an understanding for the comment about two consecutive off-GCD abilities being non-optimal that might negate its out-of-hand dismissal. Abilities that are off-GCD do not immediately activate. If I use Fast Blade, then both CoS and SW, it will delay my utilization of Savage Blade. I don't know if I need to wait for the on-GCD ability's graphic to go, or what the issue is. I'd really like to know if anyone has figured out rules for this stuff. I've played a tank in a number of MMOs at a high caliber, and my typical understanding of an off-GCD ability is I can hit it whenever I please, and if I wanted to I could hit every last off-GCD defensive ability between any two parts of my halone combo. But I can't do that. Maybe I can use two off-GCD's, but I can't use 3, or 4, so there's a point at which one must continue the halone combo and use the off-GCD ability in the next lull. Do you all experience this also?

In reply to your previous question the BBCodes on forums don't work well with quotations so will change them to two apostrophes(I think). However personally for cooldowns I try and only have one popped at a time (unless you need convalescence/hallowed ground, and I pop foresight + awareness together, helps really well with adds). Plus I try use the bigger cooldowns first for big hits if I know they're coming since rampart can do a hell of a job with such a short cooldown and high uptime.

(1000chars, ugh.)

In regards to your second question I personally try at the start of an encounter(where shield lob doesn't permit/after shield lobbing) to spirits within > circle of scorn > combo. After that I'll never use them together. My reasoning is the animation on spirits within feels very slow however the circle of scorn animation feels like it finishes in a much shorter time than the spirits within animation. So shield lob > spirits within > circle of scorn > combo. However during the actual encounter I'll seperate the instant casts between gcds as it feels much more sluggish using 2 instants between gcd. This is just how I personally use my skills though, there'll be other paladins who will prefer to keep 1gcd apart at all times, and others who will use both inbetween cooldowns. For threat it's not a majorly huge issue as if you're losing threat because of this you're probably doing something else entirely wrong, and the damage doesn't really factor in since you're a tank and the damage you're losing/gaining is negligible.

I mean that the macro as it's written in the guide is incorrect and does not include quotations, not that I struggle with its usage. It says /ac Cover instead of /ac "Cover." All the rest say /ac "Fast Blade" or whatever.