Thread: [Guide] Paladin Tanking Compendium 2.0

Originally Posted by Tanaya

+1 Curtana would be the last upgrade I'd make, in my honest opinion. +1 Holy Shield is worth it, and only demands a week's worth of work.

Otherwise, it'd depend on what Allagan gear you obtain during Coil. In my instance, I got Allagan Body, so I got Valor Head instead of Valor Body.

OP's guide correctly, in my opinion, suggest +1 curtana first.The thing is this is your largest single enmity upgrade. "But I can hold enmity on x content before turns 2 and 4" isn't really a good argument, these fights push you in new ways that you enver had to deal with with before. There are situations in turn 4 where you need to build threat on two targest simultaneously where both targets will be reciving full single target dps (normally you are only either deaiing with aoe damage or single target on your own single target), and depending on strat having them quelling strike may well not be an option. Similarly, in turn 2 tank switching, as the threat is continually being bounced between you, there is a slight interruption of the threat build, so again you have limited GCD's to keep ahead of your dps and healers.

Also, as allagan sword is only from turn 5, curtana +1 is a very safe investment. It will last a long time before being replaced.

As Pixel is so fond of saying, our job is to build as much threat as possible as quickly as possible. Curtana +1 is how you do that.

Are the penta-meld Lv70 crafted accessories still consider BiS when compared to AF2 and ALG accessories?

Thought I kinda knew what I was doing with PLD but I just learnt a fair bit

Thanks to the OP and everyone else for their input here.

Couple of questions though.

1. The Circle of Scorn Macro doesn't appear to be working for me. I'm getting CoS when if it's off cooldown but no flash and I only get flash when CoS is on cooldown, I checked battle log to be sure and Flash is not hitting at the same time as CoS

Here's what I have typed in the macro.

/ac “Circle of Scorn” <me>
/ac Flash <me>

2. Can anyone give an example of how and when Stoneskin should be used? I hear all the time it's one of the better cross class abilities for PLD but I have never saw an example of it's usage.

3. This one is a bit cheeky but is there a similar guide lying around anywhere for the WAR class? A lot of what i've read in here could be applied to WAR so that's a good start but it would be nice to have something as detailed as this guide for the WAR class.

Originally Posted by Grembo

Thought I kinda knew what I was doing with PLD but I just learnt a fair bit

Thanks to the OP and everyone else for their input here.

Couple of questions though.

1. The Circle of Scorn Macro doesn't appear to be working for me. I'm getting CoS when if it's off cooldown but no flash and I only get flash when CoS is on cooldown, I checked battle log to be sure and Flash is not hitting at the same time as CoS

Here's what I have typed in the macro.

/ac “Circle of Scorn” <me>
/ac Flash <me>

2. Can anyone give an example of how and when Stoneskin should be used? I hear all the time it's one of the better cross class abilities for PLD but I have never saw an example of it's usage.

3. This one is a bit cheeky but is there a similar guide lying around anywhere for the WAR class? A lot of what i've read in here could be applied to WAR so that's a good start but it would be nice to have something as detailed as this guide for the WAR class.

1. You have to hit the button twice to get them to go off. Make sure those are quotes and not apostrophes on circle of scorn as well.

2. Check out my single tanking video, I use stoneskin quite often and explain why I use it at the given time. I plan to upload my macros and ui video today to also explain some interesting skills paladins have.

3. Warrior is currently very dynamic and has a wide range of ways to play. I attempted to make a guide, but there is no clear cut way on how to play it due to it not being as standardized for encounters as paladin. The post ended up just being a few tips and you decide for yourself on what you want to do. I do plan on improving the guide as soon as they improve the class itself.

Grembo, I believe your macro is missing a wait time in between, otherwise the game views it as "if CoS is available -> CoS, if CoS is unavailable -> flash". Could be wrong going off memory from the one macro I have made.

I might be underestimating Curtana+1's enmity boost (I have it, first thing I got because I couldn't resist the glowy), but I've watched PLDs hold threat on Turn 4 without the +1 Relic. It's a safe investment but I don't see it as a necessity.

Originally Posted by Tanaya

I might be underestimating Curtana+1's enmity boost (I have it, first thing I got because I couldn't resist the glowy), but I've watched PLDs hold threat on Turn 4 without the +1 Relic. It's a safe investment but I don't see it as a necessity.

If they are the "off tank" Ie: the tank who picks up the set of knight/soldier that is kileld second and then the second/third dreadnaught, there will be no real test of their enmity production in most/all strats that I've seen as there will always be another target killed before theirs is engaged, giving them some lead time.

Also, against what kind of dps?

I'm not saying its a "necesssity" but then again none of the ilvl90 stuff, strictly speaking, is. Most groups are getting their first turn 4 win with little or no i90, so its doable, but do you want to be earning a progression win every week?

I am just of the opinion that it is a very potent upgrade that will give you an edge early in your gear progression. Ex: This guide is written for begining paladins, and at this point in the progression, if they are just now starting to earn and spend mythic, odds are dps in their groups will have 2-4 pieces of i90. For that single spending of 900ish tomes, I feel curtana +1 will give you the biggest upgrade to allow you to tank against dps who out gear you.