Tank Classes Off Tank DPS

[Gorehound]

I just tested this on a target dummy using identical gear on both classes (Ifrit weapon, AF1 and a few Darklight pieces) and identical stat distribution (+30 VIT). For PLD I used the Rage of Halone combo instead of Riot Blade. I hit the dummy for around ~100 seconds each, basically using Fight or Flight/Berserk at the start and stopping when they came off cooldown.

These were the results
PLD: 134.11
WAR: 133.84

Make your own conclusions.

Need more info... was this with shield oath and defiance on? Maybe test with them off? We ARE talking off-tank dps. The other guy was parsing 150ish pala dps and 170ish war dps.

[ogopogo]

Need more info... was this with shield oath and defiance on? Maybe test with them off? We ARE talking off-tank dps. The other guy was parsing 150ish pala dps and 170ish war dps.

He was using Ifrit's axe and mostly AF1 so it's obviously going to be lower, but I agree we need more details. How much potency did he pack into a berserk? Is he using Inner Beast by toggling and how often? What about Internal Release, was he timing it to sync with Berserk? Also he should be alternating BB and SE combos since the 20 potency is much better even if his SE debuff does drops off while he's doing doing the next SE.

[Sazazazenko]

He was using Ifrit's axe and mostly AF1 so it's obviously going to be lower, but I agree we need more details. How much potency did he pack into a berserk? Is he using Inner Beast by toggling and how often? What about Internal Release, was he timing it to sync with Berserk? Also he should be alternating BB and SE combos since the 20 potency is much better even if his SE debuff does drops off while he's doing doing the next SE.

I tested PLD and WAR with Sword Oath and Defiance off respectively. Also, I tested alternating BB and SE combos and got about 2-3 DPS less than I would get maximizing SE debuff uptime. I also didn't use Internal Release as I don't use it for tanking.

[ogopogo]

I tested PLD and WAR with Sword Oath and Defiance off respectively. Also, I tested alternating BB and SE combos and got about 2-3 DPS less than I would get maximizing SE debuff uptime. I also didn't use Internal Release as I don't use it for tanking.

Have you tried toggling Defiance on with about 4 seconds left on Berserk and Infuriate into Inner Beast? You can toggle Defiance off by the time you cast Heavy swing after the Pacification. Also, how consistent did alternating BB/SE combo lose to maximum SE up time? I get the feeling that 2-3 DPS isn't very significant unless it's very consistent. As for Internal Release, I recommend trying it when you don't need to run Flash. (which I often don't run now a day)

[Sazazazenko]

Have you tried toggling Defiance on with about 4 seconds left on Berserk and Infuriate into Inner Beast? You can toggle Defiance off by the time you cast Heavy swing after the Pacification. Also, how consistent did alternating BB/SE combo lose to maximum SE up time? I get the feeling that 2-3 DPS isn't very significant unless it's very consistent. As for Internal Release, I recommend trying it when you don't need to run Flash. (which I often don't run now a day)

I haven't tried the Infuriate into Inner Beast thing, I'll try it next.

Simply spamming SE combo and reapplying Fracture whenever it drops gives me around 2 more DPS than alternating BB and SE, consistently. Weaving BB combo in without allowing SE debuff to drop adds like 1 more DPS on top of that.

Just tested
Spam SE combo and reapply Fracture: 133.29
Alternating BB and SE and using Fracture: 131.67

Edit: I tried using Defiance -> Infuriate -> Inner Beast at the very end of Berserk and turning Defiance off as soon as I could a couple of times until I got the perfect timing and parsed 137.25 DPS with the SE combo / Fracture rotation.
Edit2: Same thing but using BB instead of SE whenever I can do it without SE debuff or Fracture dropping resulted in 134.58 DPS, so Inner Beast is a marginal DPS increase at best. The difference could be just RNG.

[ogopogo]

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Well on my end it typically accounts from 8~19 dps in a 2 minute 30 seconds test so it definitely makes a difference depending on whether you crit or not. I just did about 8 separate trials of SE combo and BB+SE combo each and I couldn't see a large difference between the average of either method (BB+SE comes out about 1.26 DPS higher than SE alone). The BB+SE combo did produce the highest DPS number in one of the trial at 192.71 DPS though. I think the potency probably has a greater effect with higher based WD and strength that I'm currently wearing. You did made me reconsider my rotation when I apply Fracture though. In hindsight, doing double SE combo when I apply Fracture might be a good idea so I don't lose the SE debuff for 2 GCD. I'm going to do some more testing on it later.