Sorry SE, but endgame won't work if you don't fix something.

[TheRac25]

Daily bump.

I'm still really curious why the client can't trace positional/movement/action data and mark it with a time stamp so that the server can back trace and sync to provide a more precise gameplay experience?

this seems computationaly unfeasable to me but i could be wrong, however if you reversed it, server sends timestamp of when things are going to happen on the server this could work. couple that with the client sending a pos update immediately upon leaving a danger area and you would have a pretty responsive experience, internal server lag and race conditions not withstanding, its not really that hard to fix

[Astarica]

this seems computationaly unfeasable to me but i could be wrong, however if you reversed it, server sends timestamp of when things are going to happen on the server this could work. couple that with the client sending a pos update immediately upon leaving a danger area and you would have a pretty responsive experience, internal server lag and race conditions not withstanding, its not really that hard to fix

Usually the reason to not have the client doing it is fear of hacking. It is much easier to hack your client than the server. As I pointed out your client lacks the ability to interrupt a spell the moment it detects movement, even though casting while moving is an impossibility. If it lacks authority to do that, you can be sure it won't have the authority to decide if you got hit or even where you are.

[Astarica]

Honestly I think this game is designed to fail, because I can't think of anybody say, "Players will LOVE the inherent lag built into all our encounters not found anywhere else!" As been pointed out repeatedly, no other mainstream MMORPG has this 'feature', because it's a good idea to minimize lag as much as you can. Sure some MMORPGs have very lousy servers but at least they try. In this game you can tell the lag is built in, otherwise it is impossible to do the 'move before cast is done but still finish cast' manuever. I'm really mixed about this game, it's like this game is somehow still playable despite all design efforts to ensure it fails, but I think the fail will eventually win.

[GilbertLapine]

Nearly 100k views, 1160 replies, and no dev response.

Customer service, at its best.

[CatofNineTails]

Nearly 100k views, 1160 replies, and no dev response.

Customer service, at its best.

please don't bring up customer service. its near on non-existent for the issues they do address anything not getting attention can spend eternity waiting to be dealt with otherwise.

[Magus42]

EDIT: Thanks also to the person who added this link to the discussion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFfu0i89gpI

PEBCAK:

EDIT: Another edit for the person who added this link. It's not Titan, but it shows how frustrating the AoE dodging in this game can be.
http://youtu.be/6vxn2Q2pv3o

More PEBCAK:

[Sunarie]

*snip*

It's already been noted in this thread that those are not the best examples precisely for the reason you just highlighted. Other examples that show the issue have been posted.

I invite you to do the same pause and screencap method for both the videos I clipped from Turn 2 Coil here:

http://www.twitch.tv/sunarierymshek/c/3084552
http://www.twitch.tv/sunarierymshek/c/3084630

Even though I hesitated during the first one, it still illustrates the issue just fine if you pause it.

[Magus42]

It's already been noted in this thread that those are not the best examples precisely for the reason you just highlighted. Other examples that show the issue have been posted.

I invite you to do the same pause and screencap method for both the videos I clipped from Turn 2 Coil here:

http://www.twitch.tv/sunarierymshek/c/3084552
http://www.twitch.tv/sunarierymshek/c/3084630

Even though I hesitated during the first one, it still illustrates the issue just fine if you pause it.

Yours would be much better examples for the OP.

[Goreth]

PEBCAK

I wish PvP would come out sooner rather than later as that will definitely open the eyes of a lot of the non believers. Such low temporal resolution (~300 ms) in a modern day mmo is totally unacceptable, anyone who has played a Black Mage can see that things are not WAI or at least as advertised by playing around with astral/umbral stacks and that has nothing to do with cast bars or movement.

[Astarica]

I wish PvP would come out sooner rather than later as that will definitely open the eyes of a lot of the non believers. Such low temporal resolution (~300 ms) in a modern day mmo is totally unacceptable, anyone who has played a Black Mage can see that things are not WAI or at least as advertised by playing around with astral/umbral stacks and that has nothing to do with cast bars or movement.

Get Umbral 3, cast Fire 3, and then cast Fire 1 immediately. If you do it fast enough, you can cast both spells with the 50% haste because the client is not informed of the fact that your Umbral 3 stacks are gone from the server. In this case it's advantageous to the player, though hardly makes up for the times such lag is disadvantageous to the player. It's also funny sometimes you cast your Fire 1 with 50% haste and then it slows down in mid cast when the server managed to tell your client 'no more haste!' on time.