Sorry SE, but endgame won't work if you don't fix something.

[Astarica]

What people don't get is that because the server polls your data every 0.3s, and clearly the time you start doing any raid isn't done with this in mind, sometimes you might just happen to have the server pool your position 0.1s before a WotL ends. In this case the game would behave like any other MMORPG, and you'd dodge WotL quite easily if you're a decent player. Other times, you could get the full 0.3s lag which makes it extremely hard to avoid it. As one of the poster pointed out, try to stop your spell with around 0.3s left by moving, and you'll find that sometimes it works and sometimes it does not, because it's entirely dependent on when the server chooses to query from your client again. You cannot do an action like cancel your spell with any regularity. In fact, you can actually use this to your advantage knowing that your spells will usually still finish despite you moved, so that you get an early start on your movement.

[Mastah]

I've seen, I've felt that in a game before and the game was called SWTOR. I think I do remember how badly for EA/Obsidian the game ended badly in cries, tears and blood.

Ho by the way! I'm not subbing for a second month, quite not sure why though ...

[Babydoll]

Hello SE...can you please fix this nonsense? At least say something, how many times do we have to ask?

[gigi_frana]

Well if they could fix it I think they would have said something

[Sunarie]

Namko was posting that video specifically for me. I was honestly curious as to whether it was even possible to do that, let alone do it consistently. He was kind enough to take a video, and one of the only people kind enough to do the instant cast spell interrupted test.

On a different note, just for funsies I googled "get hit by aoe when I'm out (game)", and then replaced game with various titles. Star Wars, Tera, WoW, Final Fantasy, ect... guess which one was the only one to net search results of people actually having that problem? But yeah, totally not SE's fault or anything (sarcasm).

The only time I can remember running into anything remotely similar was when my computer was utter crap (I was on the verge of upgrading), and I was raiding Ulduar. Razorscale (I think? Blue Fire dragon boss) would net me about 2 FPS, and I'd die because I literally couldn't see anything. That was a looooong time ago.

[Babydoll]

Well if they could fix it I think they would have said something

Not even about fixing it...lol if they could at least say "Yeah this is an issue, working it" that would even be ok for everyone >.< But just ignoring is really rude and makes it feel like a slap in the face to paying customers.

[Astarica]

On a different note, just for funsies I googled "get hit by aoe when I'm out (game)", and then replaced game with various titles. Star Wars, Tera, WoW, Final Fantasy, ect... guess which one was the only one to net search results of people actually having that problem? But yeah, totally not SE's fault or anything (sarcasm).

Cast bar match the cast is so fundamental to a game that no one would believe you if you said "But I dodged that!" This is literally the only game where this is a valid excuse. A lot of games have the issue of hazardous effects covers a bigger area than they appear, but that's got nothing to do with lag.

[Astarica]

There's no way this lag can possibly be fixed because it's built into the system. The only way around it is if most abilites under 2s to cast have an extra 0.5 or so tacked onto them to account for the lag, but that'd seem to be totally against the 'hardcore' stance SE is going. And such a fix has rather significant ramifications because the game's difficulty is almost entirely based on the fact that your screen doesn't match what actually happened. If there was no lag, any halfway decent MMORPG player can dodge these AEs forever. The fact that people can still dodge them even though your screen could be 0.3s or more behind suggests the game isn't very hard to begin with. Imagine any cutting edge encounter in another MMORPG where your entire raid has to work with an extra 0.3s lag, that encounter ought to be downright impossible.

[Sunarie]

Cast bar match the cast is so fundamental to a game that no one would believe you if you said "But I dodged that!" This is literally the only game where this is a valid excuse. A lot of games have the issue of hazardous effects covers a bigger area than they appear, but that's got nothing to do with lag.

Right, even with that though.. any other game netted search results that just included talking about moving out of aoe for like.. PvP, or aoes certain bosses did, stuff like that.. non of them were actually about not being able to dodge something, even if it was just cause the effect was bigger than it appeared. I'll admit I didn't look at more than the first page for each of the searches..

Just trying to add to the list of things to prove this isn't normal, and is not something that should happen. We get naysayers in here daily, so the more stuff that points to it being SE, the better I suppose.

I think the fact that I can go play with several people that I've raided with without issues for years, and suddenly they're magically having problems moving out of simple mechanics (because Titan is not hard, the lag factor just makes him appear that way), is a tell in and of itself. Yeah, we can adapt, and we did adapt.. but it shouldn't be a thing to have to adapt to.

Also, sorry if I'm repetitive for the folks reading this thread daily. I've found the new to the thread folks don't go back and read so I keep reiterating the same points in hopes that they'll see it.

[Astarica]

Also, sorry if I'm repetitive for the folks reading this thread daily. I've found the new to the thread folks don't go back and read so I keep reiterating the same points in hopes that they'll see it.

Well, people read a fix as 'nerf to content', and to be fair, if lag was magically gone tomorrow, Titan is going to be pretty darn trivial since the lag is the only thing that made him hard. But you shouldn't have difficulty based around flaws in design. I remember there was an encounter in EQ1 where half of your raid would reliably get disconnected halfway due to a bug. That bug was eventually fixed and then the guys who beat the encounter in the bugged state complain about how content is nerfed for the whiners. It's pretty much the same thing here, people arguing difficulty as the result of broken mechanism should somehow stay in as a badge of honor.