Sorry SE, but endgame won't work if you don't fix something.

[Sunarie]

Cast bar match the cast is so fundamental to a game that no one would believe you if you said "But I dodged that!" This is literally the only game where this is a valid excuse. A lot of games have the issue of hazardous effects covers a bigger area than they appear, but that's got nothing to do with lag.

Right, even with that though.. any other game netted search results that just included talking about moving out of aoe for like.. PvP, or aoes certain bosses did, stuff like that.. non of them were actually about not being able to dodge something, even if it was just cause the effect was bigger than it appeared. I'll admit I didn't look at more than the first page for each of the searches..

Just trying to add to the list of things to prove this isn't normal, and is not something that should happen. We get naysayers in here daily, so the more stuff that points to it being SE, the better I suppose.

I think the fact that I can go play with several people that I've raided with without issues for years, and suddenly they're magically having problems moving out of simple mechanics (because Titan is not hard, the lag factor just makes him appear that way), is a tell in and of itself. Yeah, we can adapt, and we did adapt.. but it shouldn't be a thing to have to adapt to.

Also, sorry if I'm repetitive for the folks reading this thread daily. I've found the new to the thread folks don't go back and read so I keep reiterating the same points in hopes that they'll see it.

[Astarica]

Also, sorry if I'm repetitive for the folks reading this thread daily. I've found the new to the thread folks don't go back and read so I keep reiterating the same points in hopes that they'll see it.

Well, people read a fix as 'nerf to content', and to be fair, if lag was magically gone tomorrow, Titan is going to be pretty darn trivial since the lag is the only thing that made him hard. But you shouldn't have difficulty based around flaws in design. I remember there was an encounter in EQ1 where half of your raid would reliably get disconnected halfway due to a bug. That bug was eventually fixed and then the guys who beat the encounter in the bugged state complain about how content is nerfed for the whiners. It's pretty much the same thing here, people arguing difficulty as the result of broken mechanism should somehow stay in as a badge of honor.

[Sunarie]

Well, people read a fix as 'nerf to content', and to be fair, if lag was magically gone tomorrow, Titan is going to be pretty darn trivial since the lag is the only thing that made him hard. But you shouldn't have difficulty based around flaws in design. I remember there was an encounter in EQ1 where half of your raid would reliably get disconnected halfway due to a bug. That bug was eventually fixed and then the guys who beat the encounter in the bugged state complain about how content is nerfed for the whiners. It's pretty much the same thing here, people arguing difficulty as the result of broken mechanism should somehow stay in as a badge of honor.

Right, and I can understand what they mean to some extent. It does make the fight easier if you suddenly have some wiggle room for hesitation, or don't have to memorize boss mechanics.... assuming you can get that far. The problem really comes in when people have mid-to-high latency on top of the .3 second positional update delay. Where other games are playable, in this one you literally can't dodge anything. By the time you see the cast and move, the cast has already gone off according to the server, and you were standing in it, regardless of what your screen says.

To me, that isn't skill at all. Same with the EQ example you gave. That's being lucky that you're not being hit with the disconnects or lag issues that others are, which has nothing to do with skill. I understand there are some people that always have the "I'm better than anyone attitude" and have to pull the "I did it before it was nerfed/fixed" card in any game. The thing that gets me here, is, as I've noted before, I believe this issue is the only one I've seen with true potential to kill the game in the long run if unfixed.