Sorry SE, but endgame won't work if you don't fix something.

[Vektrat]

Stop deviating the issue please, it's already been stated and proven it has (in the major part) nothing to do with the inexistence of an EU datacentre.

[MusouMugen]

Stop deviating the issue please, it's already been stated and proven it has (in the major part) nothing to do with the inexistence of an EU datacentre.

Sorry, but some of us don't enjoy the nice little 200-250 ping to Canada, while in every other game that has EU based servers I considered ping over 50-60 bad-ish.

While it's not the only issue, it just compounds with other issues to create a lag-fest (for some players at least).

[Vektrat]

Nevertheless, we need an EU datacentre.

Sorry, but some of us don't enjoy the nice little 200-250 ping to Canada, while in every other game that has EU based servers I considered ping over 50-60 bad-ish.

While it's not the only issue, it just compounds with other issues to create a lag-fest (for some players at least).

Other games having EU servers and you having low pings, doesn't imply that the low ping to the other game's EU dataservers is the reason for no delay.

It IS true that EU datacentres would help, but this comes AFTER.

Having new Datacentres is probably 5% of the real and serious issue going on in here. Yes, it would help, but you would not notice it, trust me.

What would help is they fixing their shitty network coding, then with the current server-pings we would have a standard and acceptable MMO; I could live with that. Now if people considers that we need shooter-like MMOs, and PvP wants to be treated seriously and competitive, and the mechanics require faster pings, THEN it will be the time about changing datacentres.

[Conkers]

..new Datacentres is probably 5% of the real...Yes, it would help, but you would not notice it, trust me.

Having played LOTRO where they closed the EU data centre and moved the servers to NA, it was actually very noticeable. My ping went from about 50-60 to around 120-150, which on the face of things was not a problem, after all it was not an FPS & 120-150 ping is fine, in theory, however what became apparent is that the performance when having to connect to NA was less stable, less consistent, so people got more lag spikes, larger lag spikes and sometimes packet loss, in all it was very noticeable.

It was also significantly worse for those that lived in less favourable countries for connecting to NA, I live in the UK so was lucky in that regard, however we had people in our guild that were from places like Poland, Russia, etc and it was very noticeable that they were impacted more by the server move, to the point many simply quit the game.

[Vektrat]

Having played LOTRO where they closed the EU data centre and moved the servers to NA, it was actually very noticeable. My ping went from about 50-60 to around 120-150, which on the face of things was not a problem, after all it was not an FPS & 120-150 ping is fine, in theory, however what became apparent is that the performance when having to connect to NA was less stable, less consistent, so people got more lag spikes, larger lag spikes and sometimes packet loss, in all it was very noticeable.

It was also significantly worse for those that lived in less favourable countries for connecting to NA, I live in the UK so was lucky in that regard, however we had people in our guild that were from places like Poland, Russia, etc and it was very noticeable that they were impacted more by the server move, to the point many simply quit the game.

I will try again, for the last time... There's over 70 pages to check for INFINITE information, if people still can't see the problem, then I'll start to believe maybe the devs are in the same sac.

Quoting myself:

Other games having EU servers and you having low pings, doesn't imply that the low ping to the other game's EU dataservers is the reason for no delay.

It IS true that EU datacentres would help, but this comes AFTER.

Having new Datacentres is probably 5% of the real and serious issue going on in here. Yes, it would help, but you would not notice it, trust me.

Rephrasing with more evident hints:
1) Going from 200-300 ping to 50-100 -> Noticeable
2) Fixing server lag -> Noticeable

Now let's combine them
Fixing 1 and not 2 -> Noticeable
Fixing 2 and not 1 -> Noticeable
Fixing 1 and 2 -> Noticeable

And I would have liked to make the last two font sizes closer in size, and the first even smaller.

You are claiming that fixing datacentre also comes with other line quality advantages such as removal of lagspikes, etc.

There's ping, there's speed, and then there's line quality; the quality of the line that links us (anyone, be it from overseas or not, and talking about the common links, not specific ISP stuff, if your ISP sucks in general, it will obviously suck with FFXIV too) is pretty decent from what we have collected, and no one in the representative group is suffering from lagspikes (leaving apart guys affected by specific ISP throttling, etc. - I'm sorry for those issues as well, you got my support).

Even if the servers are moved to your city, you will still have game inconsistencies due to the network, you will see people stuttering/sliding when running around, you will see people "eating" AEs but having dodge them, you will see people dying to AEs then moving the corpse in a post-death miracle, your heals will still land when the tank is dead, and you will still hear the +LB bonus when this happens.

For the last time: People complaining about PING, you're talking about something completely different from what people in this thread is complaining! (and I state this assuming there is no other major issues in check, such as weird ISP management, weird client status, etc.) - We're talking about GAME DESIGN (mostly from a network perspective).