AFK Leveling

[darkstarpoet1]

AFK levelling is going to go away. It's just a matter of how it's going to happen. Arguing that it should stay is futile. It won't.
Only real discussion is how far they'll let players take breaks and still progress. None, 2 minutes, 5 minutes, 15 minutes? 1 mob, 2 mobs, 5 mobs?

I think it's reasonable to let a player autofollow for 5 mobs during a party if they have to take a 5 minute break to do something, or even 10 minutes. But not more than 30 minutes.

They could implement the system I proposed, which is if you don't generate any enmity for 3 fights, you stop getting sp until you perform an action.

Or they could re-implement the surplus system and apply it to afk levelling. Only give you so many sp per week that you can get while not contributing to the kill. Maybe 5k sp a week max that you can get while not doing anything for an entire fight.

That's a more complex system, but more flexible.

it's easier fixed than that. if someone goes afk too long in your party and you feel it is unfair you already have the option to kick them from party. see the fix is already there.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

"Edit 2: This isn't about one or two people AFKing for a few minutes at a time. What I'm pointing at is organized AFK leeching. Whole parties dedicated to AFK leeching, Linkshells that organize these AFK parties. Report them all you want, b-list them, avoid them,"but I'm only trying to inform the community of what they're doing so we can shun them and not get involved."

To the OP, I highly suggest you stop this pathetic "crusade" as your starting to break forum rules. Bolded section IS against the forum rules. What other players, Linkshells, etc do to level (as long as it isn't botting) Is none of your dam buiness, nor is it right to witch hunt them or make everyone hate them. They are doing nothing wrong. You really are becoming borderline crazy, and the fact you have 12 likes to this obviouse flame/blacklist topic and it NOT get reported shocks me. If you guys "hate" this so much just do not play with them. But there is no valid reason to pretty much start an angry mob of hate on people.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Also in true in ffxi ppl did some leech leveling also. Mobs were not THAT hard in 11. People also duel boxed leeched to PL and self PL. Yet no one made a big stink over that, infact tond of ppl did it and people always welcomed a PL.
I think OP lost gripe on reality and is putting to much into thos video game. What/ how other people level or do Linkshell events is no ones concern or buiness. You guys are getting pretty silly over a video game.

Can we leave the high school bully fest off the gamje and forums. This topic is way out of line, and pretty immature.
You guys are going overboard amd really should take an ffxiv/ mmo break. Sorry but what most ppl here are doing is against the rules or is just plain mean. You guys are making this community look like its run by high school bullies like in the movie "mean girls".
These people are not doing anything to you guys. So just stop.

[zaviermhigo]

Also in true in ffxi ppl did some leech leveling also. Mobs were not THAT hard in 11. People also duel boxed leeched to PL and self PL. Yet no one made a big stink over that, infact tond of ppl did it and people always welcomed a PL.
I think OP lost gripe on reality and is putting to much into thos video game. What/ how other people level or do Linkshell events is no ones concern or buiness. You guys are getting pretty silly over a video game.

Can we leave the high school bully fest off the gamje and forums. This topic is way out of line, and pretty immature.
You guys are going overboard amd really should take an ffxiv/ mmo break. Sorry but what most ppl here are doing is against the rules or is just plain mean. You guys are making this community look like its run by high school bullies like in the movie "mean girls".
These people are not doing anything to you guys. So just stop.

The whole pl system came out of how hard XI could be at times, in XIV nothing is really that hard.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

The whole pl system came out of how hard XI could be at times, in XIV nothing is really that hard.

I played ffxi from ps2 launch day-feb 28 2010. ffxi wasn't hard, people just wanted non stop pulling/exp to get 10+ levels with in 2-4 hours.
Video games are not really that hard to be quiet honest. Trust me I play enough of them.

I feel PL is an easy way out also, and people get lazy. I didn't start an anti PL crusade, I just asked to do my role, not to be cured, used /blockaide, or simply left the party.

Fore the record, any counter mesures put in effects everyone. Anyone who goes afk will be effected, you can't just target a small group. And also, increasing the difficault will not work either. I seen ppl multi box all the time in ffxi.
I love when ppl say "ffxi was so hard" when infact it really wasn't. Just because you die alot don't make a game easy or hard. Death is just a minor road block.

But there is no excuse to witch hunt players for how they choose to lvl

[Molly_Millions]

LOL this is so inaccurate. We only have 1 person fighting and 5-6 in tow, and take shifts. It's called teamwork.

The difference is this is not against user agreement and botting is. Unlike most LS we take botting very seriously, and have banned multiple people for botting.

As long as those other people are at their pc, I see no issue with it, honestly. But afk leveling seems like cheating to me.

There is a difference when someone goes on follow to say, run to the restroom, but it's something else entirely when the intention cheat, for lack of a better word.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

As long as those other people are at their pc, I see no issue with it, honestly. But afk leveling seems like cheating to me.

There is a difference when someone goes on follow to say, run to the restroom, but it's something else entirely when the intention cheat, for lack of a better word.

No its not cheating. Cheat is botting meaning you run programs to control that character. Be on afk /follow isn't cheating.

And again how other people choose to level (unless it is botting) is none of your buiness.

You guys really need to get off your high horses and come to the realization that your jealousy is going to kill the game.
You do not know the full story and should not judge people.

Witch hunting people is a vile practice.
And understand that any counter measures will effect EVERYONE. Meaning no one will be able to go afk at all.

The only solutions here is to just butt out of other peoples buiness, and if someone goes afk for too long kick them POLITLY.

[Gezeru]

I'm not sure if using the term "witch hunt" is correct, since so far I only see this topic as a device to make people aware of organized afk leeching. I doubt a dev is going to reply to it since there is no solution that won't harm all other players. I don't see anything wrong with notifying people of this exploiting and if they actually respect themselves as proper and legit players to not get involved with others who are organizing afk leeching.

I'm not going to say I know why everyone plays MMO's, but my own reason is a sense of achievement which is unobtainable playing console games offline. I enjoy the feeling of achievement that is rewarded to me by the legit hours of game time and effort I put in to developing my character and learning how to play it the best way possible.

I am worried for not only myself, but other legit players who are starting to see afk leeching parties too often in this game. It is disheartening to see my effort cheapened.
Even if there is no way to stop afk parties, legit players have every right to avoid players who are involved with organizing afk parties and it not being coined as a "witch hunt", rather it being the only way to happily continue playing the game.

[darkstarpoet1]

As long as those other people are at their pc, I see no issue with it, honestly. But afk leveling seems like cheating to me.

There is a difference when someone goes on follow to say, run to the restroom, but it's something else entirely when the intention cheat, for lack of a better word.

this is the point, but is also the issue. the point is any rule that was made to stop the person that is intentionally leveling their character by auto following could wind up hurting the ones that had to go potty in the middle of a few hour party. if a rule lets people take actions based off discretion where does that line get drawn? remember we are not the ones with the gm tags so we have no say in who would get punished for it.

[Peregrine]

it's easier fixed than that. if someone goes afk too long in your party and you feel it is unfair you already have the option to kick them from party. see the fix is already there.

When you can't be trusted to do the right thing, that's where design takes over.