AFK Leveling

[TheVedis]

There are 2 versions of this I am going to address

1) Multiboxing where the user is next to ALL the computers being handled by it, technicaly the person is never afk if hes able to minitor all computers
2) Multiboxing where the computers are not next to each other, where the person is technicaly "afk"

example 1 is 100% legal, you are at the computer, just not doing anything on it, your able to moniter it and do other stuff if need be cuz its right there.(i do this to an extent, but only as a mule to hold crap in for the time being cuz i got alot of extra items im storing aside)
example 2 is the same as botting imo, you basicaly have a vacant computer whos sole purpsoe to to reap benefits off someone else while not playing at all

now putting someone on autofollow to leech sp isnt illegal, doing it while not at the computer for long periods of time, im sure can be construed as very illegal by the tos(im not gonna bother looking it up its too long to read) and is borderline botting without use of a 3rd party tool


if people are getting sp without fighting, thats on them, we DO NOT need to go out of our way to seek ways to stop them from doing so
the main issue here are those who are doing it in a manner that can be construed as against the terms of service...those are are doing it in a botting like fashion

[AuctionGirl]

simple solution: make the mobs challenging and harder to kill

[Kallera]

simple solution: make the mobs challenging and harder to kill

This doesn't address any question whatsoever.

[Shiyo]

This doesn't address any question whatsoever.

Yes it does, it fixes everything. Mobs hard = no one leeching, if they leech they get kicked. If they dual box, they'll be outside the party PLing on a higher level char, not INSIDE the party. Do you know how big of a headache I got dual boxing 2 jobs and solo skill chaining with myself in FF11 and stuff? A big one, really fast, it took too much thought power.

[Kallera]

Yes it does, it fixes everything. Mobs hard = no one leeching, if they leech they get kicked. If they dual box, they'll be outside the party PLing on a higher level char, not INSIDE the party. Do you know how big of a headache I got dual boxing 2 jobs and solo skill chaining with myself in FF11 and stuff? A big one, really fast, it took too much thought power.

No it doesn't fix the problem, much less everything. Hard mobs are quite relative depending on the jobs and levels of the party, and unless you want everything from the star marmot to the goblin headman require a full party to take on, there will still be way for leechers to get xp. Basically if you can grind on something, anything, past lvl1 with 7people. Guess what! You can have a leecher too!

[Shiyo]

No it doesn't fix the problem, much less everything. Hard mobs are quite relative depending on the jobs and levels of the party, and unless you want everything from the star marmot to the goblin headman require a full party to take on, there will still be way for leechers to get xp. Basically if you can grind on something, anything, past lvl1 with 7people. Guess what! You can have a leecher too!

Did you play FF11? You couldn't leech in that game because mobs were hard. IF you leeched it was noticed instantly and you got removed. I don't understand how you can argue against players experience with a system I'm talking about, lol.

[Shai]

@ Vack(somethingsomething)

I agree with you about the 30s, but starting at about 37 or 38 you can pull about 30k (or more) per hour grinding in a 4-6 man team similar to XI leveling. I'm not sure how that bankrupts any "asinine" points I'm making because I'm not really making many points other than explaining how I use the system to my advantage.

I'm also not sure you are familiar with the definitions of "hypocrite" or "irony."

I'm not being a hypocrite or ironic. My only attempt was to show how the system "being abused" is harmless to others around me and no one has really done a good job of giving evidence how this affects or hinders other people from doing what they do to enjoy the game. It seems they mostly just "don't like it."

That's all, man. I'm not trying to change people's minds. I simply wanted to express a feeling and have a counter argument for the devs (should they read it) to consider.

My succinct point:
The system is beneficial for some people and doesn't interfere with how other people play the game, either.

[Kallera]

Did you play FF11? You couldn't leech in that game because mobs were hard. IF you leeched it was noticed instantly and you got removed. I don't understand how you can argue against players experience with a system I'm talking about, lol.

Yes, you can leech in that game, I have seen it done there and in even harder games than that, the difficulty of a mob means nothing with regards to players being able to leech, and I'm sure you can leech there now. In fact leeching there is even easier than in FF14 due to most of the grind parties taking place in camps.

[Peregrine]

AFK levelling is going to go away. It's just a matter of how it's going to happen. Arguing that it should stay is futile. It won't.
Only real discussion is how far they'll let players take breaks and still progress. None, 2 minutes, 5 minutes, 15 minutes? 1 mob, 2 mobs, 5 mobs?

I think it's reasonable to let a player autofollow for 5 mobs during a party if they have to take a 5 minute break to do something, or even 10 minutes. But not more than 30 minutes.

They could implement the system I proposed, which is if you don't generate any enmity for 3 fights, you stop getting sp until you perform an action.

Or they could re-implement the surplus system and apply it to afk levelling. Only give you so many sp per week that you can get while not contributing to the kill. Maybe 5k sp a week max that you can get while not doing anything for an entire fight.

That's a more complex system, but more flexible.

[Radaghast]

You're thinking too hard, it's not going to go away.