AFK Leveling

[Kilta_Firelotus]

@ honz your posts are pretty insuilting as well. You, the op and a few others are judging people who multi box you guys are basing this argument on petty bs. So ya I'm pretty angry and going to show it. I don't do anything like this, and no I never shoved my life in ppls faces. I Also know where the line of reality and this mmo is. Putting your nose into what other players do is wrong and also insultive.

So really what how you guys post as well. I just want this topic to stop as I had friends who multi boxed and were nice and extremely helpful. I also haven't derailed this thread.
There us a fine line about topics like these. Afk leaching, multi boxing isn't an issue. People did it all the time in ffxi. And you do not know the full story. Your basing on seeing things. Did it ever occure there is more then meets the eye?

So why complain? This isn't effecting your gameplay, this isn't effecting your economic experiences. So why even bring this up? Other then your extremely bored.

[Shai]

You as well Shia all you've ever said was "i have a life and a wife sucks to be you." Sorry theres no debating that anyone can tell all you care about is how you think your opinion matters more, sugar coat your words all you want but you're being just as offensive as Kilta. To be honest I think I know who you are even if you don't post with your character info, but its just a hunch. But hey I make a living off hunches and I do my job right.

Actually, I never said anything of the sort. I was simply explaining how I use the system to have fun and become closer with my wife who doesn't have the opportunity to play as much as me. I'm explaining that I want the system left alone because it's only between me and my wife and my friends HOW we choose to play the game as long as we follow all the rules and aren't doing anything outside the game mechanics - aka cheating.

I'm also saying anyone can do this and it's not exclusive to (for example PC users vs PS2 users) one group of people. Therefore crying that some people do it and you don't like it is a very weak argument. You could do it, too. You simply made up some Code of Ethics that exclude you from it, but SE never made that Code. People in this thread did.

I shouldn't have to play a game based on other people's ethics. I play the game the developers made.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Umm I am posting My character info I'm no other person then what is in the siggy. All i'm trying to do is bring people back to reality. I tried being nice... I got insulted.

Honestly comparing reale life jobs to a video game is borderline addiction. So is caring to much on what other players do. I also dislike petty judgement on stuff you do not know the full story to. Most people who multibox have several character not old to help themselves do stuff but to also be end game ready so they have a few characters to enjoy end game with. Not really a bad idea and prolongs the game "life" of gamers. As in since they gotta gear up multi character they tend to put years into mmo.

[Shampooo]

if people are so mad about leve failing to maximize SP gain they should just suggest something like a change of aspect to where you activate it the end and it will add 50% of your SP gained upon completion of the leve. that way people who get D/C'd still keep their leve, those who fail it arent able to abuse the system., and those who complete the leve get the big SP bonuse. sure the guy who d/cd cant use aspect at the end but not every system is perfect. =p

[Vackashken]

You know, canceling leves is something the Devs DID design. They even addressed it early in the games life, stating that failed leves would be able to be re-done on the next leve reset so that people don't fail on purpose to do them continuously. Therefore they knew it would happen and designed it to be fair.

By canceling, I meant failing. And the fact of the matter its crap attacking some guy who has his wife on follow every once in awhile because its cheater sp. While you can get 100k+ SP (easily) with this little exploit on a leve run - daily. Sorry, this holier-than-thou BS is pointed in the wrong direction.

That nonsense has caused more damage to the game then anything some random guy does with his wife. The fact people tried to crucify him on this thread is absurdly laughable.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

if people are so mad about leve failing to maximize SP gain they should just suggest something like a change of aspect to where you activate it the end and it will add 50% of your SP gained upon completion of the leve. that way people who get D/C'd still keep their leve, those who fail it arent able to abuse the system., and those who complete the leve get the big SP bonuse. sure the guy who d/cd cant use aspect at the end but not every system is perfect. =p

Ironicly that isn't what topic is about. And while on the subject unlike afk "leeching" or multiboxing, this style of play can effect others. I dislike the fail level hold restart mostly because I do not enjoy failing something on purpose. And I would have to leave the group to before failing it to get it completed. But point is moot. There is a difference between being a big brother and judging what you assume you see. And being in a party with ppl who intentionaly fail leves.

[Peregrine]

I've added a dev tag to the thread to make it official.
I support removing AFK levelling.
The developers added it so that in a quick pace of battles, everyone nearby would still get sp whereas in XI if you didn't hit the mob you wouldn't get any sp or if you were dead you woudn't get any sp. I'm for giving people sp if they're doing something.

But you can not allow RMT to charge players to level them, and that's what this system will allow. You can't even let shell mates level players for you. That's not fair.

Solution: if your character gains 3 consecutive sp awards while generating no enmity, it gets cut off from subsequent sp awards until it does.

Then AFK players will have to bot to continue to gain SP. They will do this, but at least it is another degree of severity and hopefully they can be caught doing it.

[Akumu]

I've added a dev tag to the thread to make it official.
I support removing AFK levelling.
The developers added it so that in a quick pace of battles, everyone nearby would still get sp whereas in XI if you didn't hit the mob you wouldn't get any sp or if you were dead you woudn't get any sp. I'm for giving people sp if they're doing something.

But you can not allow RMT to charge players to level them, and that's what this system will allow. You can't even let shell mates level players for you. That's not fair.

Solution: if your character gains 3 consecutive sp awards while generating no enmity, it gets cut off from subsequent sp awards until it does.

Then AFK players will have to bot to continue to gain SP. They will do this, but at least it is another degree of severity and hopefully they can be caught doing it.

Thanks Peregrine. I may not agree with all your posts but sometimes you surprise me. This is a workable solution that I don't see hurting legitimate players overall. It would stop people from AFK leeching in random parties and RMT(or whoever) with those massive parties will need to bot more. Doing that they will be violating ToS and can be banned.

If I do see a problem I will address it. As of now it is the best proposed solution.

[Mini_M]

Its sad that people are getting the wrong idea about his thread. If you actually read my initial post I've not once mentioned a guy, his wife, some other guys AFK leeching. No one is pointing fingers, only people who have gotten offended by the topic have point at themselves to be victims of "apparently" harassment.

Thank you people who have actually contributed to the thread and posted your opinions and solutions.
This was a discussion that turned into an argument because some people are easily offended.
Like Honz said I'm going to be the bigger man and step away from this flame war, insult me all you want but that isn't going to stop me getting my voice through.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

umm in ffxi you don't have to hit mobs. And ppl multi box or went afk. There is more to this then ppl realise and it getting annoying people keep ruding on this baseless judgement.

Honestly threads like these should be red flaged by mods as flame threads. All OP was doing, was getting into other peoples buiness. They do not know the full story and their only evidence is "watching others". They are complaining on something that does not effect them. And blowing it out of the water. How other players play is not anyones concern. If someone goes afk too long, politly remove them.

All this post is really about is someone is "butthurt" that people with more money are playing this game with multiple character instead of with them.

If no one here can see it, then that kinda of sad. I don't try to go afk a long time, but sometimes it happens and it is out of my control. I shouldn't be insulted for having stuff come up.

It is a video game and OP as well as several people here can't seem to grasp that.