AFK Leveling

[PandaTaru]

Wow do my posts really show a tone of rage? I'm not raging at all since the topic is mediocre at best. I just chose to discuss such a topic with the person that made this thread to try and gain an understanding.

Having a discussion is about sharing idea and thoughts, not spamming 10 pages trying to make a point out of your opinion. And it's neither about winning of losing. If a discussion turns about winning or losing, it becomes an argument.


You fair use this, like I did in XI and probably would do if I could dual box in XIV, fine. However take in consideration that this can be abused and it is being abused. Here an extreme example so maybe you'll get what I mean; it's not because you smoke pot that selling drugs to kids becomes "Ok" and should be allowed by the law.

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The only real way to fix this should be SE adding this behavior to the TOS and leave the action to be taken at the discretion of the GM. Like let them judge if you're "fair" using" p-lvling your wife or just helping yourself with just one char or totally abusing this and p-lvling a million chars with just one char active. if the game becomes popular (again?) and more RMT show up, this "problem" will surface again.

[Gezeru]

I'm possibly crazy because I actually read through every post in this topic.

This topic is obviously about mass organization of AFK leeching (note the screenshot that was posted about 5 pages back showing the type of mass organization that is occurring right now), it isn't about people taking toilet breaks while in a party or having to cook dinner and auto-following while you cook up a storm.

I don't however see an obvious fix for this exploit without once again changing the SP system which I don't fancy relearning again and again and again, but I am hopeful for the new battle system that SE has promised us.

[darkstarpoet1]

I'm possibly crazy because I actually read through every post in this topic.

This topic is obviously about mass organization of AFK leeching (note the screenshot that was posted about 5 pages back showing the type of mass organization that is occurring right now), it isn't about people taking toilet breaks while in a party or having to cook dinner and auto-following while you cook up a storm.

I don't however see an obvious fix for this exploit without once again changing the SP system which I don't fancy relearning again and again and again, but I am hopeful for the new battle system that SE has promised us.

i've been reading this topic also, but if you take action against the power levelers as you guys state it is at discretion of a gm and they could wind up taking action against someone going to take a potty break. i think this was the point that was made earlier that if they made rules to punish the handful of people that do engage in this type of garbage then it will hurt others in the long run.

anytime you make rules at someone's discretion there is no set rules such as tos violations on here. i've seem some of the stuff that got tos violated on this site and they were nowhere near as bad as i see on the site daily, but because it was someone's discretion it can be determined as bad because it is not of the same opinion of the moderator.

it's simple for me i will not be in a party with someone that does this and if they have to go afk for an extended length of time they can go sit at camp until back. if we notice people just leeching we simply boot them from party as we will not be part of the issue.

[Arcell]

I just have to ask why does anyone care? If people are doing it to help a friend then fine, it's not hurting you. If they're not doing it for RMT purposes what should you care? Make note of those people and don't play with them. The only people it's hurting is themselves as they will have less experience with actually playing the game.

If it's for RMT purposes of course, ban the shit out of them. Otherwise just don't play with them and get on with your life.

I'd rather SE not change the game to try to "solve" this as it would generally inconvenience legitimate players.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Lol dude just blisted me for trying to bring him back to reality. NEETs ruin mmo. OIp and ppl sising with op. Why do you care on how other people spend their time on a video game. And duel boxing isn't an exploit. They are doing work. Infact they are doing more work. It isn't easy thing to do.
Yes I tried the Leve system, what is your point. Also don/'t call my posting habits unhealthy since you have no gripe on reality and compair a guys real life to your mmo game play.
Honestly, someone make a strong valid case on this. It isn't an exploit either. Punishing the handful of ppl will end up punishoing everyone. Meaning either we stay and fight hours on end or be forced to leave if we need to go afk even if it is just a rest room break.
You guys know the only fix is the old system and that was flawed.

So really why does another person who you will prob never level with effect you? How does it hurt your gameplay? What reason does it compel you to skrew over the player base?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Also point something out. GAMES ARE NOT JOBS, WE ARE NOT WORKING BUT HAVING FUN. I hope that sinks in.

[Honz]

Woah. 10 chars

Actually this is too funny i'll post more than 10 char.

Kilta please do the community a favor and don't post at all, your posts so far have just been insults directly aimed at players. Why are you even here? I don't want to judge you but anyone can tell you only want to insult people that obviously don't agree with you. Please just go away MMO communities could use less people like you.

You as well Shia all you've ever said was "i have a life and a wife sucks to be you." Sorry theres no debating that anyone can tell all you care about is how you think your opinion matters more, sugar coat your words all you want but you're being just as offensive as Kilta. To be honest I think I know who you are even if you don't post with your character info, but its just a hunch. But hey I make a living off hunches and I do my job right.

I don't even see where everyone is getting a "care or don't care" idea from OP's posts. OP merely stated what was happening in our community, hell you see people exploiting all the time.

Be a bigger man and just step away from flame war. "But I'm didn't flame I'm behaving rationally" lol. 10chars

All I'm going to say is that with a new battle lead we might see some changes or we might not.

Chill out stop derailing the thread, otherwise peace I'm out.

[Gezeru]

Not sure why darkstarpoet1 quoted me, since you were talking about something that I didn't even mention in my post. :x

My last paragraph meant that I don't think there is much we can do without hurting the game more, which nobody wants, so I hope the new battle system SE has promised us will discourage organized AFK parties (see screenshot I mentioned earlier). Until then, maybe this topic will keep people aware and away from such activities.

[Akumu]

Your example of the friend helping someone gain a NM drop is incredibly poor. The drop was a single generation that could go to either your friend or yourself. You choosing to give to your friend or even hunt for your friend was entirely up to you.

Exactly it is poor because it's on the same level as your examples about being mad at what someone else is doing. You would rather SE come up with some ToS agreement that will hinder any legitimate player and barely affect the ones that deserve it.
They already have gathering fatigue in place do they not? Guess who is feeling it more than others? The legitimate base(majority) and nobody it is intended for.

My whole reasoning behind my posts is to gain an understanding. What's to understand?

Why does anyone want more "anti-policies" when they will only hurt the majority more than anyone else?

You can say i'm flaming, raging, buttmad, butthurt, or whatever but I still haven't seen an effective solution besides going back to the original sp system.


edit: Also, does anyone actually think SE as a business will stop one person from buying multiple accounts and using them? Is it fair? yes it is because they paid for it and you also have that option.
That's like going out to buy a candy bar and you mad someone else bought two because they have double the benefit.

[Shai]

Wow, some seriously sanctimonious crap going on here. So people care more about what a guy does with his wife then the ridiculous levinshower exploits/glitch and canceling leves to make sure you get the best ones EVERY TIME. There is something woefully hypercritical in that if not ironic.

You know, canceling leves is something the Devs DID design. They even addressed it early in the games life, stating that failed leves would be able to be re-done on the next leve reset so that people don't fail on purpose to do them continuously. Therefore they knew it would happen and designed it to be fair.