AFK Leveling

[Shai]

You're also not really telling me how it affects Player 1.

I play 2 characters evenly so I generate 2x more resources. That sounds fair, actually.

You know, this wasn't the case in FFXI because PS2 didn't have the option to have multiple PS2 accounts going (easily) or any way to dual wield accounts on 1 PS2. FFXIV does not have this limitation so no one gets burned. Player 1 could just as easily get 2x the benefits himself if he didn't have the false notion that acting within the rules of the game is cheating or immoral or unfair.

Player 2 is putting in more effort. He gets more in return. Player 1 doesn't and cries about it on a forum because it's not fair because he has set himself up (for whatever reason) to place a limitation on himself where one isn't necessary.

I also never said I haven't seen groups of AFK levelers. I have a static of 3 players playing 8 characters. ^^ Yep. I'm milking the system, bro. You could too. Everyone in this thread could. I don't feel bad about it. When the game costs money I guarantee those 3 players will be down to 4 characters, or at most 6 characters. SE still generates 2x more money. They generate 2x more SP on leves. Everyone wins but the people crying it's not fair when they could be doing it themselves.

I just hope SE doesn't listen to those people - and considering they are losing money, I'm really hoping I win this little debate for the time being because it will be bigger return for them in the future.

[Shai]

Does your work generate enough revenue to provide for two families instead of one?

It doesn't need to because my wife and I generate enough revenue to take care of the only family that matters, which is the same as the income we make in FFXIV.

I mean, I have full Harlequin (that I bought) and 10mil gil. She bought a Vintage Robe and only has 4mil gil. All she's getting is SP and trash to sell to NPCs. It's not like we're making a fortune and rolling around in our money bins. I play more. I have more resources. She plays enough and has enough to maintain her gear for the levels I get for her or with her - and what she can't afford I cover the difference, just like real life.

It's a partnership. It's not a disadvantage to anyone else around us except people who don't have friends or wives. That's not a problem I can solve for anyone else. Find your own friends & wives.

[Shai]

...and last but not least...

I was giving a response to how additional characters and people who simply take the easy way in life

...and what's wrong with the easy way of life? It's not morally wrong to take the easy road. It's not even necessarily more rewarding, is it? The challenging road comes with its own benefits - and apparently the high & mighty feeling that you're morally right because you did it the "tough" and "manly" way but others decided to take advantage of a situation to get ahead in life.

That's life. Too bad.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Sorry if you misunderstood I don't give a shit how you play kilta but I care that the system of the game creates double the normal rewards for zero additional effort when it comes to just having an additional character. I was giving a response to how additional characters and people who simply take the easy way in life are currently effecting others. I didn't call out anyone specifically and my comments were are pretty correct about the system of skill and material generation in the game.

Actually you do care how ppl play. We are playing a game. Your telling us how to play, by saying a person whop levels 2 characters reaps more for no aditional effort. I had a friend in ffxi duel box 2 account with 5 characrers each. They are doing 2x the work per you one. It isn't really that easy to 2box characters.

By you complaining on how ppl chhose to play your are infact telling ppl how to play. This is a game dude not real life. Stop living your life in a game.

[Vackashken]

Wow, some seriously sanctimonious crap going on here. So people care more about what a guy does with his wife then the ridiculous levinshower exploits/glitch and canceling leves to make sure you get the best ones EVERY TIME. There is something woefully hypercritical in that if not ironic.

[Hotohori]

It doesn't need to because my wife and I generate enough revenue to take care of the only family that matters, which is the same as the income we make in FFXIV.

I mean, I have full Harlequin (that I bought) and 10mil gil. She bought a Vintage Robe and only has 4mil gil. All she's getting is SP and trash to sell to NPCs. It's not like we're making a fortune and rolling around in our money bins. I play more. I have more resources. She plays enough and has enough to maintain her gear for the levels I get for her or with her - and what she can't afford I cover the difference, just like real life.

It's a partnership. It's not a disadvantage to anyone else around us except people who don't have friends or wives. That's not a problem I can solve for anyone else. Find your own friends & wives.

It's great that you provide for your family like I provide for mine but I'm pointing out a flaw in the systems of the game where it is balanced for a single player at a time which your methods of play bypass. The general argument of the people who do play like this is either why do you care? or SE is not discouraging it. If your wife didn't work for an example but your job suddenly paid double what it did now because your married, is that fair to the single guy who works with you doing the exact same thing. This is how the game is right now. You're saying I just need to buy a new high end computer, a new game and subscription to have what you have. Your words sound nice and simple but I don't find it convincing enough for me to do.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

It's great that you provide for your family like I provide for mine but I'm pointing out a flaw in the systems of the game where it is balanced for a single player at a time which your methods of play bypass. The general argument of the people who do play like this is either why do you care? or SE is not discouraging it. If your wife didn't work for an example but your job suddenly paid double what it did now because your married, is that fair to the single guy who works with you doing the exact same thing. This is how the game is right now. You're saying I just need to buy a new high end computer, a new game and subscription to have what you have. Your words sound nice and simple but I don't find it convincing enough for me to do.

When are you gonna realize it is a video game and not real life?

Also failed arguement, competitive pay is fair.

[Chardrizard]

It's great that you provide for your family like I provide for mine but I'm pointing out a flaw in the systems of the game where it is balanced for a single player at a time which your methods of play bypass. The general argument of the people who do play like this is either why do you care? or SE is not discouraging it. If your wife didn't work for an example but your job suddenly paid double what it did now because your married, is that fair to the single guy who works with you doing the exact same thing. This is how the game is right now. You're saying I just need to buy a new high end computer, a new game and subscription to have what you have. Your words sound nice and simple but I don't find it convincing enough for me to do.

you have a solution for the issue without bringing back old SP system?

[Hotohori]

Actually you do care how ppl play. We are playing a game. Your telling us how to play, by saying a person whop levels 2 characters reaps more for no aditional effort. I had a friend in ffxi duel box 2 account with 5 characrers each. They are doing 2x the work per you one. It isn't really that easy to 2box characters.

By you complaining on how ppl chhose to play your are infact telling ppl how to play. This is a game dude not real life. Stop living your life in a game.

Sorry kilta have you tried out the levequest system yet? It is not quite like anything in 11 which you are referring to. People are not "2boxing" and working two characters. They are auto-following and simply standing in range to earn twice the skill/experience points and Gil rewards. 2box does not mean they are playing 2 characters at all in 14. It's not hard to do at all like you are implying. If I cared it must be such actions do affect me in some way and I have even pointed it out a few examples which were asked for. I simply said specifically I did not care about how you played because it really doesn't effect me or my server even.

Sorry kilta you're the first person I'm going to add to my blacklist seeing the kind of comments you make in the hopes of making people interact with you over the internet. Seeing 2,152 comments surely isn't healthy for your normal life I am going to simply assume. Good luck with your forum going but right now you don't even know what this topic is about which is AFK leveling for levequests and the abuses of it. Maybe after you see it for yourself you will change your opinions about it. People who are not playing shouldn't be rewarded like they are playing.

[Hotohori]

you have a solution for the issue without bringing back old SP system?

SE should make a policy about multiple account ownership. If it's you and your wife it doesn't involve you at all so it doesn't concern two actual people playing. My problem is with that lone guy who runs two accounts for the sole purpose of doubling the benefits to his single character or that RMT who sells capped rank accounts for $200 by ranking up eight accounts at a time for selling purposes which someday will happen if the game ever picks up. People need to remember its not just that good husband who plays like this it's a lot of other people do it just for the pure sake of extra benefits in doing so.