AFK Leveling

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Honestly I'm starting to think mini m and pandataru are NEETS. Talk about noisy players you butt in on other peoples play habits. You guys really need to get off your high hourse and realize, nothing is wrong. All this will cause are players forced to leave parties and leaders scrabling to find replacements. Which again isn't easy. Also people will start to get peeved off when parties disband due to a few ppl needing to go afk to use the RR.

Honestly I can see this now. "hey guys I got to go, I need to use the WC. " Later" /leaves <<how peeved off will people get when they see this >.>
Or better yet, "guys my kid is hungy I g2g bye". No one would party with anyone at this point.

Sorry but not everyone is a complete NEET.

[Hotohori]

Honestly I'm starting to think mini m and pandataru are NEETS. Talk about noisy players you butt in on other peoples play habits. You guys really need to get off your high hourse and realize, nothing is wrong. All this will cause are players forced to leave parties and leaders scrabling to find replacements. Which again isn't easy. Also people will start to get peeved off when parties disband due to a few ppl needing to go afk to use the RR.

Honestly I can see this now. "hey guys I got to go, I need to use the WC. " Later" /leaves <<how peeved off will people get when they see this >.>
Or better yet, "guys my kid is hungy I g2g bye". No one would party with anyone at this point.

Sorry but not everyone is a complete NEET.

Sorry for being off topic but I don't think you actually understand the meaning of NEET. NEET is an acronym to describe a person with No Education, Employment or Training. Meaning a person who does not attend school, work and not in the process of learning a trade to be part of specific field of jobs. It has nothing to do with family or needing to use the restroom. How is this term applicable for people who care about how others spend their time playing a game as you are using it?

Yes, some people seem to take the comments about this topic very personally because it would greatly effect the advantages they currently possess when controlling additional characters if policy or mechanics are changed. Gaining skill ups is not an infinite part of the game and once maxed out a character can reap the same rewards as all others who worked to the same point. Sorry but that empty shell of a character doesn't honestly deserve anything in the game for simply existing behind your own. If your wives' characters do not play the game, they don't deserve to be rank 50 and have the same benefits of being a rank 50.

[Akumu]

Gaining skill ups is not an infinite part of the game and once maxed out a character can reap the same rewards as all others who worked to the same point. Sorry but that empty shell of a character doesn't honestly deserve anything in the game for simply existing behind your own. If your wives' characters do not play the game, they don't deserve to be rank 50 and have the same benefits of being a rank 50.

Do I like seeing people do this especially with the full party leech thing? NO
However it still stands why should anyone care enough since it won't affect anyone else?
Just because you, me, or anyone else FEEL they shouldn't be r50 doesn't mean it should have drastic changes to the game to make us feel better.

[Hotohori]

Do I like seeing people do this especially with the full party leech thing? NO
However it still stands why should anyone care enough since it won't affect anyone else?
Just because you, me, or anyone else FEEL they shouldn't be r50 doesn't mean it should have drastic changes to the game to make us feel better.

Sorry but it is more then just a Feeling they shouldn't be rank 50 this way. It is a absolute fact that these people should not be rank 50 for doing nothing. Please stop saying that it doesn't effect anyone else because that's not even true.

[Akumu]

Sorry but it is more then just a Feeling they shouldn't be rank 50 this way. It is a absolute fact that these people should not be rank 50 for doing nothing. Please stop saying that it doesn't effect anyone else because that's not even true.

So how does it affect other people then?

[Shai]

Sorry but it is more then just a Feeling they shouldn't be rank 50 this way. It is a absolute fact that these people should not be rank 50 for doing nothing. Please stop saying that it doesn't effect anyone else because that's not even true.

That's outrageous, man.

I enjoy playing with my wife but our schedules dictate different hours. You're saying I should suffer because she works? I shouldn't level her to keep up with me because she doesn't deserve it? She should only be level 35 because she has to pay the bills and put food on the table? What are you saying, man?

That's horrible. I'm doing her a favor and it's bringing us closer as a family because when we're home together we can enjoy playing together. SE can decide if they want to take that away from us, but no one in this thread is going to make me feel bad about it. She deserves every level we have worked together to get her. Thanks for your opinion, though. It's not a fact.

Yes, and how does it affect anyone? She stealing all the R50 gear you wish you had?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Sorry but it is more then just a Feeling they shouldn't be rank 50 this way. It is a absolute fact that these people should not be rank 50 for doing nothing. Please stop saying that it doesn't effect anyone else because that's not even true.

Ok so why? And how is it hurting you?

Also you saying no one in ffxi should be 75. As everyone leved while afk at somepoint. Everyone duel boxed or was in a party with a duel boxer. Everyone was powerleved at some point. This goes for all mmo.

Hech why not take it a step farther and say those who level in parties don't deserve their leves cuz they are getting help. Amd those who solo easy pray mobs don't deserve their levels as they are mooching off easy kills.

no one here has given a good reason for a change other then just being a NEET wana be and shove their nose where it don't belong. Lets also add those who do levequests don't earn their levels since they require almost no thought to them.

[Hotohori]

You don't work, you don't eat. It's that simple. For every person out there wasting resources in life, depending on others without contributing will cause others to pay for it in some form.

Every empty character has general effect in a small world economy like this game. A player who essentially controls two characters will have twice the benefits through the same amount and time and effort as a player with one. You create twice the supply without the balance of twice the demand.

Player 1 controls a single character does 8 regional levequests per reset. Player 1 generates X raw income and T materials into the system.

Player 2 controls two characters and does 16 regional levequests per reset. Player 2 generates X+Y income and T+U materials into the system for zero additional effort. Same amount of time spent for twice the rewards.

Player 2 has devalued the effort of Player 1 in half already.

Player 1 controls one character and mines for 3 hours generating X materials and shards.

Player 2 controls two characters and mines for 3 hours generating X+Y materials and shards.

Player 2 has devalued the materials acquired by creating more identical supply then Player 1.

Player 1 controls one character and grinds monsters generating X skill points in 2 hours.

Player 2 controls two characters and grinds monsters generating X+Y+Z+Y skill points in 2 hours.

X is the standard skill value gained by Player 1 and 2. Z is the standard skill value gained by Player 2 second character. Y is the skill value gained from bonuses of party, kill efficiency and additional kills possible with two characters.

Player 2 gains superior skill gains without additional effort to Player 1.

If you work as hard as two people, you deserve the rewards of two people for sure. This is not the current situation. People are working as hard as one person and reaping the rewards of eight people is not balanced. People are controlling eight characters to have an advantage over players who don't control eight characters.

Player 2 will generate twice the general supply and benefits of Player 1 without generating the demand and needs of being two real people. Your two characters create a smaller scale effect that is similar to the effects of mass account uses of RMT and bots. The only difference is the demand of RMT is real money in exchange for their supply and similar amounts of work, while you are accepting additional skill points and revenue for your excess supply. Just because you don't directly see yourself hurting someone doesn't mean your actions have no consequences.

Any event or limitation of time through the game is being bypassed by additional character management. Low on anima? Your second is there to teleport you. No more leves to do? Your second has 8 more for you to skill up on. Need more crystals? Your second is doubling your crystal gain through a broken system of loot distribution. Hit gathering fatigue for the day? Your second is fresh and ready to go. Sorry that second character isn't doing anything but existing behind you and has every point of skill and items you earned without doing anything. This isn't right at all.

You say you don't see huge groups around you with 7 leeches following, well that is because they are standing behind you it seems. I see them and know I can't do anything about it just like I can't stop craft bots and fish bots. But I'm free to judge and express my opinions about it just like any one else in the world. You are doing the same and is no different.

What exactly is it about your wife being 35 and not 50 that is hurting you guys. Are you embarrassed she is not 50 like you? Did she withhold sex from you for not ranking her character? Last I checked there was no law that required someone to reach rank 50 in a certain time limit. If she plays she will get there eventually. If you want to play together you still can. You playing her character to rank 50 is not playing together, it's you playing with yourself.

Your example of the friend helping someone gain a NM drop is incredibly poor. The drop was a single generation that could go to either your friend or yourself. You choosing to give to your friend or even hunt for your friend was entirely up to you. It did not generate extra versions of the drop in a single instance for being there and the existence of it has no other effect on other players. More will be generated over time and go to others normally. Did the friend deserve the drop? The actual answer is no! Technically he did not earn it at all did he. My statement is not false in any literal sense.

If you let someone leech you that is your fault for doing so. But the issue here isn't so simple as a random leech in a pick up group. If I see the efforts of myself in the game being reduced by others through excess means, I'm allowed to call them out on it.

[Akumu]

Your example of the friend helping someone gain a NM drop is incredibly poor. The drop was a single generation that could go to either your friend or yourself. You choosing to give to your friend or even hunt for your friend was entirely up to you.

Exactly it is poor because it's on the same level as your examples about being mad at what someone else is doing. You would rather SE come up with some ToS agreement that will hinder any legitimate player and barely affect the ones that deserve it.
They already have gathering fatigue in place do they not? Guess who is feeling it more than others? The legitimate base(majority) and nobody it is intended for.

My whole reasoning behind my posts is to gain an understanding. What's to understand?

Why does anyone want more "anti-policies" when they will only hurt the majority more than anyone else?

You can say i'm flaming, raging, buttmad, butthurt, or whatever but I still haven't seen an effective solution besides going back to the original sp system.


edit: Also, does anyone actually think SE as a business will stop one person from buying multiple accounts and using them? Is it fair? yes it is because they paid for it and you also have that option.
That's like going out to buy a candy bar and you mad someone else bought two because they have double the benefit.

[Shai]

You as well Shia all you've ever said was "i have a life and a wife sucks to be you." Sorry theres no debating that anyone can tell all you care about is how you think your opinion matters more, sugar coat your words all you want but you're being just as offensive as Kilta. To be honest I think I know who you are even if you don't post with your character info, but its just a hunch. But hey I make a living off hunches and I do my job right.

Actually, I never said anything of the sort. I was simply explaining how I use the system to have fun and become closer with my wife who doesn't have the opportunity to play as much as me. I'm explaining that I want the system left alone because it's only between me and my wife and my friends HOW we choose to play the game as long as we follow all the rules and aren't doing anything outside the game mechanics - aka cheating.

I'm also saying anyone can do this and it's not exclusive to (for example PC users vs PS2 users) one group of people. Therefore crying that some people do it and you don't like it is a very weak argument. You could do it, too. You simply made up some Code of Ethics that exclude you from it, but SE never made that Code. People in this thread did.

I shouldn't have to play a game based on other people's ethics. I play the game the developers made.