AFK Leveling

[Hotohori]

something like that? lol

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/q...1298656210.jpg

dual boxing to help yourself on the occasion like use 1 single char (dual boxed) to help yourself or your pt, yes I don't see any problem with that. However that, see screen, it's complete abuse. Why even bother playing if it's to get your chars p-leveled?

Yeah I see that on my server too and they are very noticeable. When I'm out doing leves and see a solid white line on my mini-map followed by a line of players auto following one person passing by, it makes me shrug a little.

[Mini_M]

Being AFK while in a leveling party in FFXI was always looked down upon. If you had to AFK for a reasonably long time (15 min or more) you were usually asked to leave or find a replacement for yourself and the reason is because the exp system was balanced and everyone had to pull their own weight in a fully functional party. People are making it less of a deal in FFXIV because:

1. Everything is too easy so therefore people simply don't care what happens along as they still get their SP.

2. Since a person being AFK in a party doesn't hold the party back people just don't care.

It's not about whether you care or not, AFK leeching is abusing a flawed system similar to botting obviously both are going to happen. AFK leeching has a lesser impact in a party system than it did in FFXI, is that a justified reason to leech?

Leaving a party doesn't stop them from AFK leeching since they can just form a party by themselves. If you don't care about people abusing the system just don't post, flaming is only going to tarnish your own name and make you look bad.

[PandaTaru]

Mini, just ignore Kitty.

[Corrderio]

Simple Solution: Kick an AFKer. Not in your party? Tough luck.

[Honz]

Sorry gonna have to agree with Mini here, I see this happen as well but nothing I can do about it. Glad I don't have to deal with this anymore lol.

[Akumu]

I don't see why people are getting offended when I mentioned multiboxing, never did I once say multiboxing is wrong and if someone multiboxes its not my problem.

You see in a situation where people are AFK leeching you can always leave those people, kick them out, etc. Those people you have kicked out of your party obviously are going to need a secondary method to get more people to party with so they have to multibox.

Being AFK while gaining SP is the real problem here regardless of how they do it, whether it be botting, AFK leeching in a party with other players or multiboxing. Gaining SP while AFK has always been looked down upon in any MMO, why should some players get an advantage over others because of a flawed game mechanic.

Currently people leech/powerlevel/whatever the same way as other MMOs. Let's have SE come up with another way of leveling to prevent this because their current way to stop the RMT didn't affect us at all.

Leechers will always find a way to leech but why do you care so much? Will they affect the economy drastically like the RMT?

You also enlightened yourself on the matter so I guess you just didn't notice.

Being AFK while gaining SP is the real problem here regardless of how they do it, whether it be botting, AFK leeching in a party with other players or multiboxing.

You know what I get from this? Translation: leechers will find an easy way regardless of the methods applied.

Of course unless the methods are severe enough to impact the majority of the playerbase(legit players).

[Shai]

Being AFK while in a leveling party in FFXI was always looked down upon. If you had to AFK for a reasonably long time (15 min or more) you were usually asked to leave or find a replacement for yourself and the reason is because the exp system was balanced and everyone had to pull their own weight in a fully functional party. People are making it less of a deal in FFXIV because:

1. Everything is too easy so therefore people simply don't care what happens along as they still get their SP.

2. Since a person being AFK in a party doesn't hold the party back people just don't care.

It's not about whether you care or not, AFK leeching is abusing a flawed system similar to botting obviously both are going to happen. AFK leeching has a lesser impact in a party system than it did in FFXI, is that a justified reason to leech?

Leaving a party doesn't stop them from AFK leeching since they can just form a party by themselves. If you don't care about people abusing the system just don't post, flaming is only going to tarnish your own name and make you look bad.

You're just pushing your beliefs on others.

It is exactly about whether you care or not! That's all it is about. If SE cared, they'd change it - and presumably they will and at that time sit on your high horse and say, "Haha! I told you so!" Right now, though, people are just enjoying the game the way they want to and the way the game allows them to do so.

Exploitation means to take advantage of the situation or to use a system to the best of your ability. OF COURSE this is going to happen. Everyone wants to get ahead or make money the best way they can or know how. It's just the way the world works; it's the way the game works.

You can have an opinion that it's wrong to do this. You can kick AFK people from your party or Linkshell. You can blacklist people you see doing it. You can cry about it on a forum, but all you're doing is forcing your personal beliefs on others who don't have to feel the same way as you. You have all the control you need to cut these people out of your life.

Are you jealous that you have to work for your levels while others don't? I know people default to that accusation, but that is honestly what it sounds like when someone is going on and on about how "unfair" and "broken" a system is that they aren't using.

I hate botting, but mostly because I'm jealous and I admit it. I'm jealous that I can't go to bed and wake up to a new level of Carpentry. That is actually cheating in the TOS, though, so it's a line I wouldn't cross - but my inherent dislike for people doing it comes from the fact that I'm unwilling to do it and so I suffer while they prosper.

So what's the real problem with AFK Leveling?

[Shai]

...and before you get confused I'm not flaming you.

I just have a contrary opinion.
It's called having a discussion or a debate.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Mini your the one who is flaming others. I highly suggest you look up the term NEET. then get back to me.

Getting sp/exp afk isn't a flawed system. W/o it would be a flawed system. And I can safely say you have rose colored glasses when talking about ffxi. And also the only reason it was looked down on, was people assumed the worst or of others. Like then force dcing when their power gets cut out, or having a family emergency and suddenly going afk w/o a word. Do you honestly know how it feels to have to run to the hospital find out both your granparents just died, get back to a game you left running and find about 3 pages worth of insults? That isn't a great feeling. Trust me.

Also In ffxi is was never easy to get a replacement right away. And people still got peeved if you had to leave or go afk. Honestly the only flaw is peoples attitudes, not the afk leechers. Learn the full story, or don't complain. What other people do is none of yoir concern. It don't effect you. So please just get over yourself

[Akumu]

Being AFK while in a leveling party in FFXI was always looked down upon. If you had to AFK for a reasonably long time (15 min or more) you were usually asked to leave or find a replacement for yourself and the reason is because the exp system was balanced and everyone had to pull their own weight in a fully functional party. People are making it less of a deal in FFXIV because:

1. Everything is too easy so therefore people simply don't care what happens along as they still get their SP.

2. Since a person being AFK in a party doesn't hold the party back people just don't care.

None of this is true as anyone that's not a sucker will just kick them.

It's not about whether you care or not, AFK leeching is abusing a flawed system similar to botting obviously both are going to happen. AFK leeching has a lesser impact in a party system than it did in FFXI, is that a justified reason to leech?

It wont be abused since all you have to do is kick them which most will do.

Leaving a party doesn't stop them from AFK leeching since they can just form a party by themselves. If you don't care about people abusing the system just don't post, flaming is only going to tarnish your own name and make you look bad.

So basically you want SE to put a camera in every house?

edit: I am also not flaming you but having a discussion as I am against what you are for. This isn't about some bots or RMT. It's about you mad at people multiboxing or to refuse to just kick leechers from the party(again not flaming but this is what I get from your posts). Anything else is just asking for too much.