AFK Leveling

[Mini_M]

Being AFK while in a leveling party in FFXI was always looked down upon. If you had to AFK for a reasonably long time (15 min or more) you were usually asked to leave or find a replacement for yourself and the reason is because the exp system was balanced and everyone had to pull their own weight in a fully functional party. People are making it less of a deal in FFXIV because:

1. Everything is too easy so therefore people simply don't care what happens along as they still get their SP.

2. Since a person being AFK in a party doesn't hold the party back people just don't care.

It's not about whether you care or not, AFK leeching is abusing a flawed system similar to botting obviously both are going to happen. AFK leeching has a lesser impact in a party system than it did in FFXI, is that a justified reason to leech?

Leaving a party doesn't stop them from AFK leeching since they can just form a party by themselves. If you don't care about people abusing the system just don't post, flaming is only going to tarnish your own name and make you look bad.

[Shai]

Being AFK while in a leveling party in FFXI was always looked down upon. If you had to AFK for a reasonably long time (15 min or more) you were usually asked to leave or find a replacement for yourself and the reason is because the exp system was balanced and everyone had to pull their own weight in a fully functional party. People are making it less of a deal in FFXIV because:

1. Everything is too easy so therefore people simply don't care what happens along as they still get their SP.

2. Since a person being AFK in a party doesn't hold the party back people just don't care.

It's not about whether you care or not, AFK leeching is abusing a flawed system similar to botting obviously both are going to happen. AFK leeching has a lesser impact in a party system than it did in FFXI, is that a justified reason to leech?

Leaving a party doesn't stop them from AFK leeching since they can just form a party by themselves. If you don't care about people abusing the system just don't post, flaming is only going to tarnish your own name and make you look bad.

You're just pushing your beliefs on others.

It is exactly about whether you care or not! That's all it is about. If SE cared, they'd change it - and presumably they will and at that time sit on your high horse and say, "Haha! I told you so!" Right now, though, people are just enjoying the game the way they want to and the way the game allows them to do so.

Exploitation means to take advantage of the situation or to use a system to the best of your ability. OF COURSE this is going to happen. Everyone wants to get ahead or make money the best way they can or know how. It's just the way the world works; it's the way the game works.

You can have an opinion that it's wrong to do this. You can kick AFK people from your party or Linkshell. You can blacklist people you see doing it. You can cry about it on a forum, but all you're doing is forcing your personal beliefs on others who don't have to feel the same way as you. You have all the control you need to cut these people out of your life.

Are you jealous that you have to work for your levels while others don't? I know people default to that accusation, but that is honestly what it sounds like when someone is going on and on about how "unfair" and "broken" a system is that they aren't using.

I hate botting, but mostly because I'm jealous and I admit it. I'm jealous that I can't go to bed and wake up to a new level of Carpentry. That is actually cheating in the TOS, though, so it's a line I wouldn't cross - but my inherent dislike for people doing it comes from the fact that I'm unwilling to do it and so I suffer while they prosper.

So what's the real problem with AFK Leveling?

[Akumu]

Being AFK while in a leveling party in FFXI was always looked down upon. If you had to AFK for a reasonably long time (15 min or more) you were usually asked to leave or find a replacement for yourself and the reason is because the exp system was balanced and everyone had to pull their own weight in a fully functional party. People are making it less of a deal in FFXIV because:

1. Everything is too easy so therefore people simply don't care what happens along as they still get their SP.

2. Since a person being AFK in a party doesn't hold the party back people just don't care.

None of this is true as anyone that's not a sucker will just kick them.

It's not about whether you care or not, AFK leeching is abusing a flawed system similar to botting obviously both are going to happen. AFK leeching has a lesser impact in a party system than it did in FFXI, is that a justified reason to leech?

It wont be abused since all you have to do is kick them which most will do.

Leaving a party doesn't stop them from AFK leeching since they can just form a party by themselves. If you don't care about people abusing the system just don't post, flaming is only going to tarnish your own name and make you look bad.

So basically you want SE to put a camera in every house?

edit: I am also not flaming you but having a discussion as I am against what you are for. This isn't about some bots or RMT. It's about you mad at people multiboxing or to refuse to just kick leechers from the party(again not flaming but this is what I get from your posts). Anything else is just asking for too much.