AFK Leveling

[Jynx]

It will happen in one shape or form regardless of the inane limitations put on the players at the end of the day.

Solutions

1. If they are in your party kick them
2. Ignore them becuase they are not effecting your gameplay in any way and there is nothing in the ToS that sais you can't /autofollow a person and have them fight for you.

Happens in everygame, it clearly shows at the end of the day who leveled without playing there job and who did. Hell it happened in XI all the time. "Level me guys I'm bringing my PL to cast cure V every 2 minutes! Lulz" and people ate it up. bringing in arbitrary limitations to the normal user is just punishing us in the end.

[Akumu]

The only people whining and defending AFK leeching are just do it themselves, you can justified your actions anyway you like the community is only going to see you as a AFK leecher.

Since people are getting confused or don't understand what this topic is about I'm going to spell it out for you.

Multiboxing does not violate the ToS.

Botting violates the ToS and botting is running a macro or a script that lets you gain sp while not at your screen.

AFK leeching is does not violate the ToS but it lets you gain sp while not at your screen. Which means it produces the same effect as botting.

Not mingling yourselves with AFK leechers, because you disapprove of their methods, would mean that those players would have to use methods that doesn't require other players to get the full effect of the game, hence multiboxing.

Who exactly is defending them? I think every post here is against afk leechers. However, the community(or atleast the majority posting here) knows that if someone is leeching then kick him/her out of the party. If you are allowing him/her to do it then you are being a sucker and can only blame yourself.

You are making such a big deal out of such an easily fixed problem that doesn't require SE to balance anything else.
People multibox...Who cares? That will be their money spent. How can SE stop this? What if someone gets on their wife's cpu and multibox so what then? SE will find and ban them? Seriously any company going this far is setting themselves up for failure and throwing resources out the window.

I repeat. STOP ALLOWING PEOPLE TO AFK LEECH OFF OF YOUR PARTY. YOU ONLY HAVE YOURSELF TO BLAME.

[Shai]

You know what's funny about this thread?

Once upon a time, you had to actually do actions to receive SP.

People cried. This is what remains.

Keep on crying.

[Mini_M]

I don't see why people are getting offended when I mentioned multiboxing, never did I once say multiboxing is wrong and if someone multiboxes its not my problem.

You see in a situation where people are AFK leeching you can always leave those people, kick them out, etc. Those people you have kicked out of your party obviously are going to need a secondary method to get more people to party with so they have to multibox.

Being AFK while gaining SP is the real problem here regardless of how they do it, whether it be botting, AFK leeching in a party with other players or multiboxing. Gaining SP while AFK has always been looked down upon in any MMO, why should some players get an advantage over others because of a flawed game mechanic.

[Shai]

I don't see why people are getting offended when I mentioned multiboxing, never did I once say multiboxing is wrong and if someone multiboxes its not my problem.

You see in a situation where people are AFK leeching you can always leave those people, kick them out, etc. Those people you have kicked out of your party obviously are going to need a secondary method to get more people to party with so they have to multibox.

Being AFK while gaining SP is the real problem here regardless of how they do it, whether it be botting, AFK leeching in a party with other players or multiboxing. Gaining SP while AFK has always been looked down upon in any MMO, why should some players get an advantage over others because of a flawed game mechanic.

What's the difference between multi-box and not, though?

I mean what are you saying is the problem? Four LS members agree to level as a static. They take turns hooking on to 1 player and letting him run leves with full link while they DL porn. Who cares? What's the difference between that and me playing 4 characters by myself? It's consensual and it doesn't concern anyone else.

Edit:
I mean if you're talking about some stranger (such as in Behest) just following the group without pulling out their weapon ... can't you just kick that person or not invite them next time? I know that's how I deal with that situation. It's something you can control when it affects you personally.

[PandaTaru]

This is to the Devs. AFK leveling is ruining the game, SP parties are so easy that a person can just latch on and not do a thing and gain SP. Whether the party is a grinding party or leve linking party people are getting SP while not at their computer screen. This is happening because party members do not have to pull their own weight in parties and this makes this kind of situation possible. This is pretty much botting with a safety net. Archers can rank from 1-50 without shooting a single arrow, gladiators can hit 50 wearing a weathered sword and shield in their underwear.

Yes AFK leveling is a effective method of gaining SP because every knows you only need 4-5 active members to effectively kill anything that is worth good SP. For example in a r40-45 leve linking party doing Ranine Reveries in which the SP is capped at 3-4 star rating only 5 of those 8 members have to be active for the party to complete the leve which leaves 3 spots open for AFK leechers and such but regardless of who did what everyone gains the same SP.

Yes there are people out there doing this, and a solution to this would be a new method of SP distribution to party members.

something like that? lol

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/q...1298656210.jpg

dual boxing to help yourself on the occasion like use 1 single char (dual boxed) to help yourself or your pt, yes I don't see any problem with that. However that, see screen, it's complete abuse. Why even bother playing if it's to get your chars p-leveled?

Prefer not to spread in forum lol... i will PM you

lol, because you know you're doing something wrong perhaps? manipulation for the dummies, if you know you're wrong and the debat is public, take the person apart and try to talk that person tru your view until he/she agrees.

EDIT:

LOL this is so inaccurate. We only have 1 person fighting and 5-6 in tow, and take shifts. It's called teamwork.

The difference is this is not against user agreement and botting is. Unlike most LS we take botting very seriously, and have banned multiple people for botting.

Teamwork? That's teamwork for the lazy.
Before even bothering to answer, send me a 30 pages dissertation on the notion of hypocrisy. You gotta be kidding me. Fabul is really something LOL.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

@ mini,
did it ever accure to you, your being like those naighbors who pry in other peoples stuff? Who really gives you any right to really ask what your asking? Are you going to all these players houses and seeing them purposely leech? Honestly no one here knows the full story on why people need to go afk and end up leeching. But assuming the worst is getting out of hand. It is tiring that these petty flame posts don't get deleted.

I had to go afk a long time while playing ffxi due to a family emergency. I could say anything to the party so they assumed the worst and said some nasty things after kicking me. Do you honestly get how rude that is?

Sorry unless you guys know the full story on why ppl go afk for long periods of time, you shouldn't judge them. Also don't believe everything you see with auto follow. Not everyone is good at navigating games, and use auto follow to keep up with the party.

Sorry but its getting sickly annoying to see post after post thread after thread of people judging others.

[Shai]

Sorry but its getting sickly annoying to see post after post thread after thread of people judging others.

Welcome to playing an FF MMO, if not the internet itself.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

"Being AFK while gaining SPis the real problem here regardless of how they do it, whether it be botting, AFK leeching in a party with other players or multiboxing. Gaining SP while AFK has always been looked down upon in any MMO, why should some players get an advantage over others because of a flawed game mechanic."

Your really starting to get on my nerves. Or never truely played mmo to the fullest extact. It is because, people would need to go afk at times, and sometimes long durations. Like making dinner etc. Pretty much if they stop allowing people to get sp/exp while afk this forces them to have disband the party causing the leader to get a replacement (if there is one),, or he sticks with the group everyone out levels him, or the party must stop till they are back. We are not NEETS or robots and have things we need to do and needing to go afk. Like using the restroom or eatung dinner, or making dinner. So it isn't a flawed machanic.

And only reason it was looked down on is people assumed the worst.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Welcome to playing an FF MMO, if not the internet itself.

It still doesn't make it right and is more of an issue then "afk leeching"