AFK Leveling

[Shai]

I don't see why people are getting offended when I mentioned multiboxing, never did I once say multiboxing is wrong and if someone multiboxes its not my problem.

You see in a situation where people are AFK leeching you can always leave those people, kick them out, etc. Those people you have kicked out of your party obviously are going to need a secondary method to get more people to party with so they have to multibox.

Being AFK while gaining SP is the real problem here regardless of how they do it, whether it be botting, AFK leeching in a party with other players or multiboxing. Gaining SP while AFK has always been looked down upon in any MMO, why should some players get an advantage over others because of a flawed game mechanic.

What's the difference between multi-box and not, though?

I mean what are you saying is the problem? Four LS members agree to level as a static. They take turns hooking on to 1 player and letting him run leves with full link while they DL porn. Who cares? What's the difference between that and me playing 4 characters by myself? It's consensual and it doesn't concern anyone else.

Edit:
I mean if you're talking about some stranger (such as in Behest) just following the group without pulling out their weapon ... can't you just kick that person or not invite them next time? I know that's how I deal with that situation. It's something you can control when it affects you personally.

[Akumu]

I don't see why people are getting offended when I mentioned multiboxing, never did I once say multiboxing is wrong and if someone multiboxes its not my problem.

You see in a situation where people are AFK leeching you can always leave those people, kick them out, etc. Those people you have kicked out of your party obviously are going to need a secondary method to get more people to party with so they have to multibox.

Being AFK while gaining SP is the real problem here regardless of how they do it, whether it be botting, AFK leeching in a party with other players or multiboxing. Gaining SP while AFK has always been looked down upon in any MMO, why should some players get an advantage over others because of a flawed game mechanic.

Currently people leech/powerlevel/whatever the same way as other MMOs. Let's have SE come up with another way of leveling to prevent this because their current way to stop the RMT didn't affect us at all.

Leechers will always find a way to leech but why do you care so much? Will they affect the economy drastically like the RMT?

You also enlightened yourself on the matter so I guess you just didn't notice.

Being AFK while gaining SP is the real problem here regardless of how they do it, whether it be botting, AFK leeching in a party with other players or multiboxing.

You know what I get from this? Translation: leechers will find an easy way regardless of the methods applied.

Of course unless the methods are severe enough to impact the majority of the playerbase(legit players).

[PandaTaru]

This is to the Devs. AFK leveling is ruining the game, SP parties are so easy that a person can just latch on and not do a thing and gain SP. Whether the party is a grinding party or leve linking party people are getting SP while not at their computer screen. This is happening because party members do not have to pull their own weight in parties and this makes this kind of situation possible. This is pretty much botting with a safety net. Archers can rank from 1-50 without shooting a single arrow, gladiators can hit 50 wearing a weathered sword and shield in their underwear.

Yes AFK leveling is a effective method of gaining SP because every knows you only need 4-5 active members to effectively kill anything that is worth good SP. For example in a r40-45 leve linking party doing Ranine Reveries in which the SP is capped at 3-4 star rating only 5 of those 8 members have to be active for the party to complete the leve which leaves 3 spots open for AFK leechers and such but regardless of who did what everyone gains the same SP.

Yes there are people out there doing this, and a solution to this would be a new method of SP distribution to party members.

something like that? lol

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/q...1298656210.jpg

dual boxing to help yourself on the occasion like use 1 single char (dual boxed) to help yourself or your pt, yes I don't see any problem with that. However that, see screen, it's complete abuse. Why even bother playing if it's to get your chars p-leveled?

Prefer not to spread in forum lol... i will PM you

lol, because you know you're doing something wrong perhaps? manipulation for the dummies, if you know you're wrong and the debat is public, take the person apart and try to talk that person tru your view until he/she agrees.

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LOL this is so inaccurate. We only have 1 person fighting and 5-6 in tow, and take shifts. It's called teamwork.

The difference is this is not against user agreement and botting is. Unlike most LS we take botting very seriously, and have banned multiple people for botting.

Teamwork? That's teamwork for the lazy.
Before even bothering to answer, send me a 30 pages dissertation on the notion of hypocrisy. You gotta be kidding me. Fabul is really something LOL.

[Hotohori]

something like that? lol

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/q...1298656210.jpg

dual boxing to help yourself on the occasion like use 1 single char (dual boxed) to help yourself or your pt, yes I don't see any problem with that. However that, see screen, it's complete abuse. Why even bother playing if it's to get your chars p-leveled?

Yeah I see that on my server too and they are very noticeable. When I'm out doing leves and see a solid white line on my mini-map followed by a line of players auto following one person passing by, it makes me shrug a little.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

@ mini,
did it ever accure to you, your being like those naighbors who pry in other peoples stuff? Who really gives you any right to really ask what your asking? Are you going to all these players houses and seeing them purposely leech? Honestly no one here knows the full story on why people need to go afk and end up leeching. But assuming the worst is getting out of hand. It is tiring that these petty flame posts don't get deleted.

I had to go afk a long time while playing ffxi due to a family emergency. I could say anything to the party so they assumed the worst and said some nasty things after kicking me. Do you honestly get how rude that is?

Sorry unless you guys know the full story on why ppl go afk for long periods of time, you shouldn't judge them. Also don't believe everything you see with auto follow. Not everyone is good at navigating games, and use auto follow to keep up with the party.

Sorry but its getting sickly annoying to see post after post thread after thread of people judging others.

[Shai]

Sorry but its getting sickly annoying to see post after post thread after thread of people judging others.

Welcome to playing an FF MMO, if not the internet itself.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Welcome to playing an FF MMO, if not the internet itself.

It still doesn't make it right and is more of an issue then "afk leeching"

[Mini_M]

Being AFK while in a leveling party in FFXI was always looked down upon. If you had to AFK for a reasonably long time (15 min or more) you were usually asked to leave or find a replacement for yourself and the reason is because the exp system was balanced and everyone had to pull their own weight in a fully functional party. People are making it less of a deal in FFXIV because:

1. Everything is too easy so therefore people simply don't care what happens along as they still get their SP.

2. Since a person being AFK in a party doesn't hold the party back people just don't care.

It's not about whether you care or not, AFK leeching is abusing a flawed system similar to botting obviously both are going to happen. AFK leeching has a lesser impact in a party system than it did in FFXI, is that a justified reason to leech?

Leaving a party doesn't stop them from AFK leeching since they can just form a party by themselves. If you don't care about people abusing the system just don't post, flaming is only going to tarnish your own name and make you look bad.

[Shai]

Being AFK while in a leveling party in FFXI was always looked down upon. If you had to AFK for a reasonably long time (15 min or more) you were usually asked to leave or find a replacement for yourself and the reason is because the exp system was balanced and everyone had to pull their own weight in a fully functional party. People are making it less of a deal in FFXIV because:

1. Everything is too easy so therefore people simply don't care what happens along as they still get their SP.

2. Since a person being AFK in a party doesn't hold the party back people just don't care.

It's not about whether you care or not, AFK leeching is abusing a flawed system similar to botting obviously both are going to happen. AFK leeching has a lesser impact in a party system than it did in FFXI, is that a justified reason to leech?

Leaving a party doesn't stop them from AFK leeching since they can just form a party by themselves. If you don't care about people abusing the system just don't post, flaming is only going to tarnish your own name and make you look bad.

You're just pushing your beliefs on others.

It is exactly about whether you care or not! That's all it is about. If SE cared, they'd change it - and presumably they will and at that time sit on your high horse and say, "Haha! I told you so!" Right now, though, people are just enjoying the game the way they want to and the way the game allows them to do so.

Exploitation means to take advantage of the situation or to use a system to the best of your ability. OF COURSE this is going to happen. Everyone wants to get ahead or make money the best way they can or know how. It's just the way the world works; it's the way the game works.

You can have an opinion that it's wrong to do this. You can kick AFK people from your party or Linkshell. You can blacklist people you see doing it. You can cry about it on a forum, but all you're doing is forcing your personal beliefs on others who don't have to feel the same way as you. You have all the control you need to cut these people out of your life.

Are you jealous that you have to work for your levels while others don't? I know people default to that accusation, but that is honestly what it sounds like when someone is going on and on about how "unfair" and "broken" a system is that they aren't using.

I hate botting, but mostly because I'm jealous and I admit it. I'm jealous that I can't go to bed and wake up to a new level of Carpentry. That is actually cheating in the TOS, though, so it's a line I wouldn't cross - but my inherent dislike for people doing it comes from the fact that I'm unwilling to do it and so I suffer while they prosper.

So what's the real problem with AFK Leveling?

[Akumu]

Being AFK while in a leveling party in FFXI was always looked down upon. If you had to AFK for a reasonably long time (15 min or more) you were usually asked to leave or find a replacement for yourself and the reason is because the exp system was balanced and everyone had to pull their own weight in a fully functional party. People are making it less of a deal in FFXIV because:

1. Everything is too easy so therefore people simply don't care what happens along as they still get their SP.

2. Since a person being AFK in a party doesn't hold the party back people just don't care.

None of this is true as anyone that's not a sucker will just kick them.

It's not about whether you care or not, AFK leeching is abusing a flawed system similar to botting obviously both are going to happen. AFK leeching has a lesser impact in a party system than it did in FFXI, is that a justified reason to leech?

It wont be abused since all you have to do is kick them which most will do.

Leaving a party doesn't stop them from AFK leeching since they can just form a party by themselves. If you don't care about people abusing the system just don't post, flaming is only going to tarnish your own name and make you look bad.

So basically you want SE to put a camera in every house?

edit: I am also not flaming you but having a discussion as I am against what you are for. This isn't about some bots or RMT. It's about you mad at people multiboxing or to refuse to just kick leechers from the party(again not flaming but this is what I get from your posts). Anything else is just asking for too much.