AFK Leveling

[Arcell]

It's a bad system either way Hotohori and it's punishing legitimate players for the few afk idiots. Not an acceptable solution.

[Hotohori]

Since it's a bonus, wouldn't it be a way to reward legitimate players for playing instead of being afk in party? I didn't say the process of that extra skill for actions should be as difficult as it was at the release of the game.

[Mini_M]

The only people whining and defending AFK leeching are just do it themselves, you can justified your actions anyway you like the community is only going to see you as a AFK leecher.

Since people are getting confused or don't understand what this topic is about I'm going to spell it out for you.

Multiboxing does not violate the ToS.

Botting violates the ToS and botting is running a macro or a script that lets you gain sp while not at your screen.

AFK leeching is does not violate the ToS but it lets you gain sp while not at your screen. Which means it produces the same effect as botting.

Not mingling yourselves with AFK leechers, because you disapprove of their methods, would mean that those players would have to use methods that doesn't require other players to get the full effect of the game, hence multiboxing.

[Akumu]

The only people whining and defending AFK leeching are just do it themselves, you can justified your actions anyway you like the community is only going to see you as a AFK leecher.

Since people are getting confused or don't understand what this topic is about I'm going to spell it out for you.

Multiboxing does not violate the ToS.

Botting violates the ToS and botting is running a macro or a script that lets you gain sp while not at your screen.

AFK leeching is does not violate the ToS but it lets you gain sp while not at your screen. Which means it produces the same effect as botting.

Not mingling yourselves with AFK leechers, because you disapprove of their methods, would mean that those players would have to use methods that doesn't require other players to get the full effect of the game, hence multiboxing.

Who exactly is defending them? I think every post here is against afk leechers. However, the community(or atleast the majority posting here) knows that if someone is leeching then kick him/her out of the party. If you are allowing him/her to do it then you are being a sucker and can only blame yourself.

You are making such a big deal out of such an easily fixed problem that doesn't require SE to balance anything else.
People multibox...Who cares? That will be their money spent. How can SE stop this? What if someone gets on their wife's cpu and multibox so what then? SE will find and ban them? Seriously any company going this far is setting themselves up for failure and throwing resources out the window.

I repeat. STOP ALLOWING PEOPLE TO AFK LEECH OFF OF YOUR PARTY. YOU ONLY HAVE YOURSELF TO BLAME.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

"Being AFK while gaining SPis the real problem here regardless of how they do it, whether it be botting, AFK leeching in a party with other players or multiboxing. Gaining SP while AFK has always been looked down upon in any MMO, why should some players get an advantage over others because of a flawed game mechanic."

Your really starting to get on my nerves. Or never truely played mmo to the fullest extact. It is because, people would need to go afk at times, and sometimes long durations. Like making dinner etc. Pretty much if they stop allowing people to get sp/exp while afk this forces them to have disband the party causing the leader to get a replacement (if there is one),, or he sticks with the group everyone out levels him, or the party must stop till they are back. We are not NEETS or robots and have things we need to do and needing to go afk. Like using the restroom or eatung dinner, or making dinner. So it isn't a flawed machanic.

And only reason it was looked down on is people assumed the worst.

[Hotohori]

Well all I can hope for is that the future dungeons when released will be so hard that there will be no room for absent minded players in the party if the run is to be successful. If they are challenging enough for a solid group of 8, the players who lack the play skills from ranking up while away will not be up to par to complete the dungeons like so and end up unable to win as part of any group.

[Arcell]

I agree, I think true difficulty is the only real fix. However they'll still likely AFK level, just not in the most optimal ways. Even if they have to fight monsters for 50 SP each, as long as it's easy they'll do it.

[Jynx]

It will happen in one shape or form regardless of the inane limitations put on the players at the end of the day.

Solutions

1. If they are in your party kick them
2. Ignore them becuase they are not effecting your gameplay in any way and there is nothing in the ToS that sais you can't /autofollow a person and have them fight for you.

Happens in everygame, it clearly shows at the end of the day who leveled without playing there job and who did. Hell it happened in XI all the time. "Level me guys I'm bringing my PL to cast cure V every 2 minutes! Lulz" and people ate it up. bringing in arbitrary limitations to the normal user is just punishing us in the end.

[Shai]

You know what's funny about this thread?

Once upon a time, you had to actually do actions to receive SP.

People cried. This is what remains.

Keep on crying.

[Mini_M]

I don't see why people are getting offended when I mentioned multiboxing, never did I once say multiboxing is wrong and if someone multiboxes its not my problem.

You see in a situation where people are AFK leeching you can always leave those people, kick them out, etc. Those people you have kicked out of your party obviously are going to need a secondary method to get more people to party with so they have to multibox.

Being AFK while gaining SP is the real problem here regardless of how they do it, whether it be botting, AFK leeching in a party with other players or multiboxing. Gaining SP while AFK has always been looked down upon in any MMO, why should some players get an advantage over others because of a flawed game mechanic.