AFK Leveling

[Xmbei]

Yes, yes it is against the ToS, but that has and never will stop Gil Sellers and Account sellers. There is still a market of MUST HAVE IT NOW, GIVE IT TO ME! I NEED MY GILZ AND R50!!!! people that don't like to work for the goal and have a sense of achievement, they would rather buy it and not have to do the work. Also people can have their own account and pay the gilseller/account sellers to Power Level their character to predetermined rank, just because they don't want to do it. It is a festering sickness in the MMO market that no matter what you do it will always be there.

[darkstarpoet1]

Yes, yes it is against the ToS, but that has and never will stop Gil Sellers and Account sellers. There is still a market of MUST HAVE IT NOW, GIVE IT TO ME! I NEED MY GILZ AND R50!!!! people that don't like to work for the goal and have a sense of achievement, they would rather buy it and not have to do the work. Also people can have their own account and pay the gilseller/account sellers to Power Level their character to predetermined rank, just because they don't want to do it. It is a festering sickness in the MMO market that no matter what you do it will always be there.

and once again how would you go about fixing it?

get rid of people auto-following? this will in turn hurt people that are just going to the bathroom as well as people multi-boxing, which is not against the rules.

take away the sp for the fights? if someone has been in party for hours and have to use the bathroom there is no need to penalize them for needing a potty break or answer their phone.

leave it to gm's descretion? then innocent people will eventually wind up getting penalized on a whim without getting facts.

the point was that they already have rules in effect to combat these issues and just because they are not being enforced at this point does not mean more rules that could hurt the innocent should be made.

if someone goes afk for an extended period of time and is not active why not just put an icon besde their name to show afk. that way the leader could just do his/her job and oust them in case they didn't notice they had been afk a while. the oust from party option is the best way to go about handling afk leechers.

[Xmbei]

Exactly that's what I was trying to say as well. You can't fix afk leveling, if you do you will be punishing the whole community, and innocent people. I don't know why someone was complaining about people that they don't party with and don't effect their SP intake. If it is obvious that they look like gilsellers which is usually r20+ people wearing starting gear, report them to the STF, then the STF will track their behavior and determine if they are actually gilsellers and go back to their IP and block them. If it is innocent people.... as it might be 50% so, I state again it doesnt actually affect people like the OP unless you are actually in that person's party which doesn't sound like that is the case. Why are you worrying about what they do? It only visually effects your game play but not your experience.

[darkstarpoet1]

exactly, that's how we treat in on my ls. if someone is always active in parties for hours at a time and has to use the restroom we just say "target me til you get back and i'll drag ya along", but if they are leaving for an extended period of time we say "just go to the camp and we'll leave you a spot in the party for when you get back".

the point is we don't mind covering for you for a few minutes, but will not drag you for 30. if you autofollow me without saying anything, i will be the first to admit, i will take you to the toughest aggro mob i can find then log out on you. don't expect me to get you levels. if you need a break to use the restroom just tell me and i will do it gladly, but don't just put me on autofollow and expect me to get your ranks for you.

there was a guy in broken water that was bad about joining behests and setting the next person to join behest on autofollow then follow the whole behest then do it again the next. 3 behests in a row we drug him to the diremites and let him die before making the first kill and left him there.

[Xmbei]

Lol awesome ya the behest afk leveling is bad. I will admit though.... i would rather have an afk leveler in a behest party then people that run off and kill non red named mobs in the behest, and won't listen to the rest of the party on organization, leading to tons of lost SP.

[Loony_BoB]

I still think it would work if it was a simple case of sp is earned based on stamina used

[Arcell]

I still think it would work if it was a simple case of sp is earned based on stamina used

But what happens when something dies too quickly for each member of the team to expend 3 (or even 1) stamina bars? The fights in this game right now are way too quick to account for that. Peregrine's fix is one of the only decent ones, gives room for leniency but punishes people who are afk for too long.

[darkstarpoet1]

But what happens when something dies too quickly for each member of the team to expend 3 (or even 1) stamina bars? The fights in this game right now are way too quick to account for that. Peregrine's fix is one of the only decent ones, gives room for leniency but punishes people who are afk for too long.

but what is considered too long? 30 sec? 1 min? 2min? the thing is mobs already die so fast that you can kill many mobs in just a few minutes for going to the restroom. if you limit it to 5 kills you have to do the bathroom break in under 1 min tops or you lose out. that's not fair to the ones that have been in a party for hours and has to stop for a few munutes to pee.

[Arcell]

but what is considered too long? 30 sec? 1 min? 2min? the thing is mobs already die so fast that you can kill many mobs in just a few minutes for going to the restroom. if you limit it to 5 kills you have to do the bathroom break in under 1 min tops or you lose out. that's not fair to the ones that have been in a party for hours and has to stop for a few munutes to pee.

Well I'm personally of the opinion that they shouldn't put any systems in place to stop this as it just ends up hurting legitimate players. Peregrine's suggestion is one of the few I'm relatively okay with.

[Peregrine]

Not putting it in ends up hurting legitimate players. Having players with more levels than they actually earned creates less demand for players with certain skills, adds to the generic feeling of the game that is being called too generic already, skews the demographic mean to the point where it is no longer a valid data parameter (players who afk grind each other generate statistically outlying character level profiles that skew the developmental data much like the richest 10% of the population skew the mean income level of a country to an irrelevant number, and median is actually more appropriate), creating a false average for which to base design off of, give access to high-level assets to more people than intended, opens up RMT business avenues that weren't there before, and puts players at the awkward position of having to deal with players who are too clingy of the feature.

If they're not on, they're not on. That IS one of the old tenets of MMORPGs that DOES need to stay relatively preserved.

You can not encourage afk levelling like this system does. RMT alone will abuse the **** out of this with impunity. It is not only the right, it is the DUTY of developers to protect the play of everyone by limiting the playstyle choices of others.

Not only do the devs have the right to remove this "choice" they have the duty to. Players have no right to get afk SP. It is not an i'm okay you're okay don't tread on me issue.