AFK Leveling

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Just plvled 5 ranks on my Glad...

BREAKIN THE LAW

Judas priest ftw ^^ Sorry i like that song :P

anyway.....
I hope mods lock this thread since it is obviously now a blacklist witch hunt thread.

[Shampooo]

i cant think of any way to prevent this other than going back to SE's original SP format of gaining SP through actions. And we all know how well that system worked =/ well most of us at least hehe.

[Shai]

Yeah. I thought it was great. I was in the minority, though.

My first thought: Sweet! No more AFK leveling!

My second thought: Now if only there was a minimum so I don't get 0 SP every 5th fight.

[Peregrine]

Difference between me and a lot of players is I wouldn't ask a friend to drag me around and be my workhorse. Don't mix business with pleasure, otherwise are they really your friend.

We have so many bot-crafters on wutai that a good quarter of the products on the market shouldn't even be there. On any given night you can crawl the corners of Uldah and find some prominent player picking at large quantities of iron ore. Bunch of cheating wannabes. Starting to be the same way with jobs.

Same thing with getting discounts from friends. Why screw a friend out of what a stranger would give them? Are they not your friend? Give them more. They'll refuse to take more because you're their friend, then you end up giving them either the market price for their service or you give each other free things. In the end, same difference. I just prefer straight market price because that automatically corrects for any tit for tat imbalance.

Too many leeches make too much use of the "friends get discounts" clause. That's an ethical violation.
Same way with this. You know many players will try to take more than they receive out of this.

This is not about morals. This is an ethical concern. AFK advancement is an ethics issue. You do not deserve that reward. Your "friend" does.

[Kallera]

Difference between me and a lot of players is I wouldn't ask a friend to drag me around and be my workhorse. Don't mix business with pleasure, otherwise are they really your friend.

We have so many bot-crafters on wutai that a good quarter of the products on the market shouldn't even be there. On any given night you can crawl the corners of Uldah and find some prominent player picking at large quantities of iron ore. Bunch of cheating wannabes. Starting to be the same way with jobs.

Same thing with getting discounts from friends. Why screw a friend out of what a stranger would give them? Are they not your friend? Give them more. They'll refuse to take more because you're their friend, then you end up giving them either the market price for their service or you give each other free things. In the end, same difference. I just prefer straight market price because that automatically corrects for any tit for tat imbalance.

Too many leeches make too much use of the "friends get discounts" clause. That's an ethical violation.
Same way with this. You know many players will try to take more than they receive out of this.

This is not about morals. This is an ethical concern. AFK advancement is an ethics issue. You do not deserve that reward. Your "friend" does.

"May I have a cookie, friend?"
"Here have three!"
"Oh thank you, how generous."
"FOOL! Thou art a freeloader and a cheat! Get out of mine MMO, harpy queen that is not my friend!"

Morals are relative, and even the most stringent of game have their limits on what they can and cannot control. This is a game, not a sweatshop.

Of Course, since Peregine presumably can't tell the difference, I would suggest he not play.

[Shai]

Difference between me and a lot of players is I wouldn't ask a friend to drag me around and be my workhorse. Don't mix business with pleasure, otherwise are they really your friend.

Well the difference between me and you (and a lot of players?) is I offered.

I figured I was going to do it myself why not offer to let a friend tag along for some SP since I don't lose any myself (well a marginal amount) and that way we meet our goals together, level together for longer and have more fun together overall instead of me being 20 levels ahead and waiting for them to catch up (or leveling new jobs simply to play with them when I want to play the job I enjoy playing).

You know what? It works great. We have a lot of fun. Sometimes I AFK follow them. Sometimes they follow me. Everyone wins. No one's skill is suffering either (though I love that clause) because we all use abilities from jobs we're familiar with. We also have plenty of days where no one AFKs and everyone pulls their weight (and we get done faster).

It's a give and take system and I think that's more about being friends than "Do it yourself."

That's the difference between me and you, I guess - or at least another obvious difference.

Edit

You do not deserve that reward. Your "friend" does.

The reward my "friend" gets is that tomorrow he can level with me again. We're in the same level range, we have the same Guildleves, we team up and link again. It's really quite the reward. You should try getting yourself some "friends" and see how it goes.

Honestly, I can't believe how much something that doesn't affect you in any way bothers you so much. I'm giving lots of reasons why this is a good, wholesome, cooperative effort for friends to stay within range of each other and have a good time and you're still preaching ethics.

(v sarcasm)
By the way "ethics" is a system of moral principles, so nothing to do with morals at all.
You're right.
(^sarcasm)

[Shampooo]

Difference between me and a lot of players is I wouldn't ask a friend to drag me around and be my workhorse. Don't mix business with pleasure, otherwise are they really your friend.

We have so many bot-crafters on wutai that a good quarter of the products on the market shouldn't even be there. On any given night you can crawl the corners of Uldah and find some prominent player picking at large quantities of iron ore. Bunch of cheating wannabes. Starting to be the same way with jobs.

Same thing with getting discounts from friends. Why screw a friend out of what a stranger would give them? Are they not your friend? Give them more. They'll refuse to take more because you're their friend, then you end up giving them either the market price for their service or you give each other free things. In the end, same difference. I just prefer straight market price because that automatically corrects for any tit for tat imbalance.

Too many leeches make too much use of the "friends get discounts" clause. That's an ethical violation.
Same way with this. You know many players will try to take more than they receive out of this.

This is not about morals. This is an ethical concern. AFK advancement is an ethics issue. You do not deserve that reward. Your "friend" does.

on my server botters dont even hide, they'll sit right in the middle of the road =p

[Teepot]

What's the difference between AFK leveling and offline leveling ?
I don't see any reason to turn my PC all the AFK time on.

Wait, maybe this is what Yoshi was talking about the new battle system ?

[Xmbei]

I am pretty sure this has been mentioned so sorry about the repeat but. Has anyone thought maybe they are Gilseller/Account seller, linkshells and they are doing this to farm in as much gil as possible and then get those r50 characters and sell them off for more money?

Also another term for this is not AFK leveling its Power Leveliing just like in XI but now.... a High ranked person can kill your mobs for you and you still get great SP. I have been in a party like this because our friend that was PLing us was wanting us to get r20 CON so that we can have cure 2 and be a bit more self relient as Melee classes. I might be tarnished reputation in this but ohhhhh nooooo I was not on auto follow I was running around talking and everything but the mobs were such a higher level than us we were told to stay out of fights and away so we didnt get killed. I think this is okay, except I find it weird that sp is not hurt as much as it was in XI.

On the regards of it being actually what looks to me in this discussion is RMT actions.

[darkstarpoet1]

I am pretty sure this has been mentioned so sorry about the repeat but. Has anyone thought maybe they are Gilseller/Account seller, linkshells and they are doing this to farm in as much gil as possible and then get those r50 characters and sell them off for more money?

oh wow. it went from someone being on autofollow while using the bathroom as opposed to autofollowing while afk an extended period of time to this? if they are doing it to sell the account it is against the tos therefore it is already covered. there would be no rule needed to be made to stop it.