If you're pulling with Provoke you're doing it wrong

[Yiell]

That's how you insta-spot a nub tank.

And shame on you SE for allowing such a horrible tooltip into the final game.

I use provoke when I pull out mobs from different monster groups. I tell my PUG team to WAIT for me to build aggro before they can spam nuke it (usually takes 2~3 seconds). Shield lobbing will just lure in all the monster groups in the room.

I have a chat macro that says "Hold yer horses and wait for me to get aggro"

[Reika]

I guess you can look back on one of the very first tutorial guildhests, the one about using ranged attacks to pull off groups. You know, the one where the tank isn't at the level to have any ranged attacks, but most likely someone else in the party is. Just have someone else do a long range pull with one of their weak skills, then just take it off them.

[Viridiana]

For everyone suggesting using Provoke to pull groups of enemies, why not let your ranged classes do the actual pulling and provoke off of them?

[Roaminggnome]

I always find it amusing to go into a thread about how to do your job and its almost always written by somebody who doesn't do your job but knows better.

[Amyas]

For everyone suggesting using Provoke to pull groups of enemies, why not let your ranged classes do the actual pulling and provoke off of them?

Well, it would work, that's for sure, but with 'voke you keep hate the whole time. Should, anyway, if you use your combo and flash if its a group. Really hope they give tomahawk a range boost though, but as it is, in most dungeons you're using provoke to pull single mobs that move through groups that are linked, which is a lot more common than people here are saying.

[Viridiana]

I always find it amusing to go into a thread about how to do your job and its almost always written by somebody who doesn't do your job but knows better.

Yeah, any time I tell someone else they're doing their job wrong, it's because I'm absolutely certain they're messing up, so it's probably something fundamental, because BRD is my only 50 since ARR. That said, *most* of the time, pulling with Provoke is something I try to correct. Using it to range pull is understandable, but still makes me wince.

Well, it would work, that's for sure, but with 'voke you keep hate the whole time. Should, anyway, if you use your combo and flash if its a group. Really hope they give tomahawk a range boost though.

Maybe it's because all I've been running lately is Wanderer's and Amdapor, but I can't think of any pulls where you both need to range pull and can't afford to lose aggro for the 1 GCD it should take to re-establish hate.

[Thalamant]

Provoke pulling would be preferable to having a ranged class pull, imo. I will also agree that while I've never really had an issue with pulling with Shield Lob, it and Tomahawk certainly need a range boost.

[Viridiana]

Provoke pulling would be preferable to having a ranged class pull, imo.

Why, though? At least if you 'voke off of a ranged puller, your Provoke is giving you an attack's worth of enmity, instead of just 1. Yeah, you're gonna have to Flash if it's a group, but you were going to do that after Provoke-pulling anyway, or they're going to demolish the healer. If I'm in charge of pulling a Succubus in AK, I can Heavy+BL+AA before it makes it into range for Provoke. Even if nothing crits, that's a lot of enmity you could be getting for free by letting me pull.

[Amyas]

Maybe it's because all I've been running lately is Wanderer's and Amdapor, but I can't think of any pulls where you both need to range pull and can't afford to lose aggro for the 1 GCD it should take to re-establish hate.

I guess it doesn't matter much, as a tank though I feel like my worth is determined by always being on the top of the hate list and always having all mobs on me. In AK there are the Dullahans and the four seperate groups of three enemies right before Demon Wall is a good example of needing ranged pulls, Wanderer's has a few spots too, like the pugil and gear grease mobs at that second chest, plus the last of the three tonberries just after you beat the goobue boss.

Then again, you're correct, we could just let ranged players pull and provoke off of them, though the only case you'll need that is if its a War tank that doesn't have provoke, but the War shouldn't have that much trouble pulling it off of you without it.

[Thalamant]

Why, though? At least if you 'voke off of a ranged puller, your Provoke is giving you an attack's worth of enmity, instead of just 1. Yeah, you're gonna have to Flash if it's a group, but you were going to do that after Provoke-pulling anyway, or they're going to demolish the healer. If I'm in charge of pulling a Succubus in AK, I can Heavy+BL+AA before it makes it into range for Provoke. Even if nothing crits, that's a lot of enmity you could be getting for free by letting me pull.

I don't think that this type of pull is wrong theoretically and if I had a partner in my party that I was comfortable pulling like that then I would certainly be open minded about that. I just don't know how comfortable I would be trying it in a PUG setting. I also don't think it is necessary is most situations.