If you're pulling with Provoke you're doing it wrong

[Amyas]

If you honestly think provoke isn't one of the best pull skills, YOU'RE doing it wrong. Guess you like running into mobs that aren't even linked because everything else is shortrange, huh? The only time I would need it for its actually purpose is if I die and lose aggro, and by then the cd is reset. 1/10 troll would not read again.

[Thalamant]

If you're not using voke to pull, you're a fail tank. Guess you like running into mobs that aren't even linked because everything else is shortrange, huh? The only time I would need it for its actually purpose is if I die and lose aggro, and by then the cd is reset. 1/10 troll would not read again.

What? I don't even....

While there may be a rare instance where Provoke pulling is necessary for the longer range, it SHOULD NOT be your primary pulling tool. That's what Shield Lob and Tomahawk are for and their range is generally sufficient. Provoke does NOTHING for you at the beginning of a fight in terms of enmity like Shield Lob and Tomahawk do.

[Amyas]

What? I don't even....

While there may be a rare instance where Provoke pulling is necessary for the longer range, it SHOULD NOT be your primary pulling tool. That's what Shield Lob and Tomahawk are for and their range is generally sufficient. Provoke does NOTHING for you at the beginning of a fight in terms of enmity like Shield Lob and Tomahawk do.

Take the 'dangerous' pull after Coincounter in AV (actually all of AV in general, especially the beginning), and so many other pulls in Every. Single. Dungeon. You can't use shield lob or tomahawk without pulling more mobs than necessary, and if you pull two groups that aren't linked accidentally, you've 'failed' that pull imo.

I mean, using provoke to pull I've gotten compliments from people saying 'Oh wow I didn't realize those groups weren't linked' obviously because other tanks like the OP here just runs in and tomahawks w/e is closest and pull the whole room. You don't realize how common mobs that aren't linked with a group are, even in low level dungeons. There's always three to four linked that are static in a particular room, then ones that move about and intermingle with the ones that actually are linked. Provoke makes nitpicking easy, and helps so so much with pugs and duty finder groups that can't just plow through everything.

[Thalamant]

Take the pull after Coincounter in AV (actually all of AV in general), and so many other pulls in Every. Single. Dungeon. You can't use shield lob or tomahawk without pulling more mobs than necessary, and if you pull two groups that aren't linked accidentally, you've 'failed' that pull imo.

Like I said, there are exceptions but it isn't our primary pulling tool.

[Amyas]

Like I said, there are exceptions but it isn't our primary pulling tool.

If I'm actually 'pulling' (as in pulling the mobs away from other mobs, so as not to aggro more than necessary) it pretty much is. If its a static group with no other mobs or mobs that move around, I run in and flash, single target +enmity combo, then position myself for overpower a few times to seal the deal, works every time, even with overzealous healers and dd. (okay I lied, maybe another flash if the healers or dd goes a little too crazy)

Tomahawk has its places, but for actual 'pulling' it needs a range buff, because it simply doesn't have the range to pull properly in cases where you have to actually 'pull' mobs away, with current dungeon designs anyways. Maybe I'm just too careful, meh.