If you're pulling with Provoke you're doing it wrong

[shoiko]

The OP is so correct on this. I did not fully learn that provoke actually equates you to the highest person on the monsters hate list. I thought there was actually high level hate built into it. The more you know.

[Sixmp]

No matter what if you are a DD and you are pulling aggro. It is your job to adapt. Team work is just that, filling in the gaps. If the tank is not as good as you are accustomed to then you should help the tank regain control, you do this by easing off on the damage.

Going ape from the start of the fight is worse than anything a bad tank can do. The idea is to let the tank get control, THEN go ape. Tank starts to lose control. You ease off. Simples.

[Thalamant]

In my opinion, Provoke's greatest strength comes from the ability to put the tank back at the top of the hate meter following a death. Raise the tank, tank provokes and we can carry on. It also allows the off tank to get to the top of the hate meter if the main tank dies.

As for pulling with Provoke, in the rare instance you need a longer range pull than Shield Lob, Provoke being on CD isn't that big of a deal as we have other enmity tools that are better at the beginning of a fight and we are probably talking about trash anyway. Shield Lob or Tomahawk would fill the role of getting hate back on a mob that changed targets and you don't feel like chasing it.

That being said, hate isn't completely handed to us in FFXIV as it is in other MMOs (I played multiple tanks in WoW, Rift, SWTOR). A decently geared DD certainly CAN pull from a tank, especially when they are attacking a mob that the tank isn't (even when rotating Flash in after each combo rotation).

[Awdogsgo2heaven]

How about giving these tanks you meet advice and making them better players instead of spewing hatred on the forums? I'm tired of these don't do that or this threads. Telling everyone on the forums they are just doing it wrong sounds condescending, and won't actually help anyone just turn players off from the community. Comment your problems with players personally.

[NoctisCaelus]

How about giving these tanks you meet advice and making them better players instead of spewing hatred on the forums? I'm tired of these don't do that or this threads. Telling everyone on the forums they are just doing it wrong sounds condescending, and won't actually help anyone just turn players off from the community. Comment your problems with players personally.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Current-Tanks. :3 That's what I did.

[Awdogsgo2heaven]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Current-Tanks. :3 That's what I did.

That's the kind of threads this forum needs!

[rzr22]

How about giving these tanks you meet advice and making them better players instead of spewing hatred on the forums? I'm tired of these don't do that or this threads. Telling everyone on the forums they are just doing it wrong sounds condescending, and won't actually help anyone just turn players off from the community. Comment your problems with players personally.

Have you considered the thought that I have? Because I actually play a tank. Sometimes I actually tell them exactly how I do my rotation and manage threat on multiple enemies.

Do you know how many actually recognize my existence? Almost none of them. Why would they listen to some DPS that has never played a tank? OH RIGHT, BECAUSE I HAVE PLAYED A TANK! But they're as dense as you lot and make assumptions.

I love all the assumptions about me in this thread. They're so fun to read.

Also, I grow tired of teaching a moron how to do his job which should be something they figure out on their own using logic. How many times do I have to do this? 9 out of 10 dungeon runs? Nah. I'd rather piss you off because I wait 30 minutes for your dumb butt to make everyone else's time miserable because you can't learn a simple job. Combo 1 2 3 and tab everyone now and then. GEE FREAKING WHIZ IS THIS HARD. Give me a BLM that knows out to sleep and I may as well go to sleep myself.

Then again, this is a community that thinks Brayflox is hard. OH GOD MOVING. Hardest thing in the world.

[Thalamant]

Snip.

I probably would ignore you too if you were speaking to me like that. I don't care if you're the best tank on the server, you're worth less than players that can't figure out Brayflox. What makes you think that because something is simple for you it must be simple for others? Get a life and stop ruining our community with your poor attitude.

[Amyas]

If you honestly think provoke isn't one of the best pull skills, YOU'RE doing it wrong. Guess you like running into mobs that aren't even linked because everything else is shortrange, huh? The only time I would need it for its actually purpose is if I die and lose aggro, and by then the cd is reset. 1/10 troll would not read again.

[Thalamant]

If you're not using voke to pull, you're a fail tank. Guess you like running into mobs that aren't even linked because everything else is shortrange, huh? The only time I would need it for its actually purpose is if I die and lose aggro, and by then the cd is reset. 1/10 troll would not read again.

What? I don't even....

While there may be a rare instance where Provoke pulling is necessary for the longer range, it SHOULD NOT be your primary pulling tool. That's what Shield Lob and Tomahawk are for and their range is generally sufficient. Provoke does NOTHING for you at the beginning of a fight in terms of enmity like Shield Lob and Tomahawk do.