If you're pulling with Provoke you're doing it wrong

[Lucroarna]

Consider the source. This guy's a 40 archer. He probably goes all out within 5 seconds of the pull +bloodletter and then blames the tank for not having provoke.

Just a quick tidbit: Leveling PLD, did a dungeon today, took 5 flashes to get all the mobs to get on me finally. 2 archers, both attacking 2 targets. Then called me a failure at life. I left the DF midpull and left them with repair bills.

[rzr22]

Consider the source. This guy's a 40 archer. He probably goes all out within 5 seconds of the pull +bloodletter and then blames the tank for not having provoke.

Just a quick tidbit: Leveling PLD, did a dungeon today, took 5 flashes to get all the mobs to get on me finally. 2 archers, both attacking 2 targets. Then called me a failure at life. I left the DF midpull and left them with repair bills.

You can't hold aggro without me needing to wait? My brother can. You bad?

I like how you're accusing me of something when I've simply stated a bad tanking practice. Are you saying pulling with provoke is a good thing? lolnub

[Nero]

You can't hold aggro without me needing to wait? My brother can. You bad?

Learn to use Quelling Strike. Its there for a reason. <_< If you pull aggro as Archer/Bard you simply do not use Quelling Strike, which is "fail". So before you throw stones you should make sure, that you are not sitting in a House made of Glass.

I do not deny that bad Tanks do exist, but tbh i have seen way more worse Archer/Bards than i have seen bad Tanks. Most of the Times when Archers/Bards start to complain about the Tank being bad and i actually check the Battle-Log... oh surprise.. no Quelling Strike. Which is almost as bad as getting the initial Claim on Archer/Bard.

[Vanidin]

You can't hold aggro without me needing to wait? My brother can. You bad?

I like how you're accusing me of something when I've simply stated a bad tanking practice. Are you saying pulling with provoke is a good thing? lolnub

If you can go balls out as the tank pulls and not pull hate that just means you're bad. The biggest issue I run into when tanking runs is dps blowing up the mobs the second I pull, or "helpful" archers tagging the mob I "missed" in the pull. I had a blm in AK in near full darklight and ifrit or garuda weapon (don't remember which) that would drop aoe on the mobs right after I pulled them. Naturally at least 2 of them would run straight at the guy then he'd run away from the group taking the mobs with him.

I don't use provoke often to pull, only when I am trying to avoid other mobs or large pulls.

[Anonydort]

Consider the source. This guy's a 40 archer. He probably goes all out within 5 seconds of the pull +bloodletter and then blames the tank for not having provoke.

Just a quick tidbit: Leveling PLD, did a dungeon today, took 5 flashes to get all the mobs to get on me finally. 2 archers, both attacking 2 targets. Then called me a failure at life. I left the DF midpull and left them with repair bills.

you're a bad person and you're a bad player

[Syfin]

Consider the source. This guy's a 40 archer. He probably goes all out within 5 seconds of the pull +bloodletter and then blames the tank for not having provoke.

Just a quick tidbit: Leveling PLD, did a dungeon today, took 5 flashes to get all the mobs to get on me finally. 2 archers, both attacking 2 targets. Then called me a failure at life. I left the DF midpull and left them with repair bills.

Thatd terrible of you. As a tank you are the leader. Create a mark 1 macro so that when you pull they know which to focus. Problem solved. I tanked all the way to 50 without any issues because I did my job as a tank. I lead and explained.

[Gorlioliolio]

Provoke is a fantastic pulling tool, for times when there are wanderers that you want to tag out from the group but know that getting too close to lob might end up with 4-5 mobs on you instead of the 1-2 you want to pull.

And honestly you gotta have pretty bad reaction time to need provoke in most fights, I probably use it 2-3 times per dungeon run, most of which are for pulling pats.

[NoctisCaelus]

Provoke is a fantastic pulling tool, for times when there are wanderers that you want to tag out from the group but know that getting too close to lob might end up with 4-5 mobs on you instead of the 1-2 you want to pull.

And honestly you gotta have pretty bad reaction time to need provoke in most fights, I probably use it 2-3 times per dungeon run, most of which are for pulling pats.

This. Plain and simple.

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

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Agreed on the increased range. However, it's not just about reaction time: if DPS in your team are much overgeared compared to you, it's a pain to keep aggro, let alone get it back. Likewise if they go crazy on AoE. Likewise if your healer needs to punch through much unnecessary damage, or goes crazy overhealing. It's not that simple, you must have either a great gear, or great partners to never have to use provoke. It's a fantastic tool to get mobs back on you as a tank. Also, it's a DPS job to deal damage, as well as to stop doing it if mobs start hitting them, so that the tank can get the mobs back. It's basic DPS'in 101 in most MMORPGs. This FF XIV is no different, however aggro management is a bit more tricky than it is usually since there's a cap system: it's more about aggro repartition (%s) than a simple absolute value, so a team must really work together to get that done right. From one group to the next, things are just so variable, depending on who does what and how, whereas I usually have the same routine and (overall good) reaction time.

[Lucroarna]

Thatd terrible of you. As a tank you are the leader. Create a mark 1 macro so that when you pull they know which to focus. Problem solved. I tanked all the way to 50 without any issues because I did my job as a tank. I lead and explained.

They were all marked. You're horrible.