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  1. #41
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    I think it's important to point out that although Triple-Leve's are a fanstastic way to level and conserve leve allowances they are actually incredibly inefficient for materials. For example: You can find a single combination turn in that will offer a 30,000 exp, HQ turn in will give you 200% bonus being a 90,000 exp award. OR. You can do a triple turn in which gives you roughly the same Exp but you had to make 3 items to get that 90,000. Effectively you're getting 30k per HQ item instead of 90k per HQ item.

    Yes this takes a little more time becuase you're going back and forth from Where you get the leve to where you're turning it in and it also uses 3 times as many leve's. BUTTT. Later on in levels when you're spending 1000's in gil just for the crystals. It's much more cost effective to do a single turn in than a triple leve given you have enough allowances.

    Just pay attention to the cost vs exp benefit.
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  2. #42
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    Your concern for materials is, frankly, silly.



    You make nine times the items, and get nine times the item creation experience, compared to making one item for a regular (or delivery) leve.

    When you see a 30,000 experience triple leve, you know that you are going to get 90k experience per hand in, 270k total, if all handed in items are HQ, right? Generally speaking, and this holds true as long as you are doing leves at your level and not 5 levels lower, you will get enough crafting experience to increase that overall total by around 50%. It starts out slightly over 50%, and decreases to maybe 45%, so "around 50%" is a good rough figure.

    I don't know about you, but I do not find that making one item for a leve worth 30k, getting 90k because I made it HQ, and having that total be maybe 105k due to crafting components and then the actual piece, anywhere near worth using nine times the items in order to get 270k experience from a triple leve, and another 130k or so (bringing the total to 400k) from crafting the components.

    Crafting experience is a BIG part of the total leve experience. If I've got to turn 3 Mythril Ores into a Mythril Ingot, and turn two Raw Peridots into Peridots, AND make the Peridot Earrings, repeating that process nine times for one 30k experience leve .. that leve is not worth a mere 270k. That leve is worth a lot more, though due to the way that experience for parts decreases as you level above the recipe, it will be worth more to me at 40 GSM than it will be at 49 GSM.

    Compared to making the subcombines for one item .. there's a ton more experience in triple leves, enough that materials are not to be a worry, but rather to be factored in for what you need for the leve.
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  3. #43
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    Just my opinion is I'm looking at the big picture. Using your math you're saying that on a triple leve you'll get roughly 400k total including the exp you get from crafting those 9 items. Versus only 105k for a single leve.

    Using my method and your math you'd get 945,000 exp..for the same amount of work other than travel time. PLUS!!! You'd get 9 bonus items whether it be extra mats, extra crystals, ect instead of only 3. Down side is you use 9 leve's versus only 1..but I've got 80 saved up so I dont really care about that.

    Sorry.....but I'd rather make 9 items for 9 seperate leve's and get double the exp for the same amount of work.
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  4. #44
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    There is the major difference in our opinions : "the same amount of work".

    I don't regard crafting stuff as "work" - I enjoy it. So, I'm willing to spend 9 leve allowances on triple leves, making nine times the items, getting much more experience and many more rewards, than you are.

    Item by item, yes, delivery leves are best, single leves are good, and triple leves come in last. In terms of actual gain per leve allowance - triple leves cannot be beaten. Its just a question of whether you are looking at it by item, or by leve.
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  5. #45
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    I don''t know about others but i'm looking at it as I don't make money off of leve's (other than gil reward of course meaning I cant sell what i'm crafting) so whatever gets me the most exp for the least amount of EFFORT (since work is a 4letter word).

    I'm not doing crafting leve's for my health so might as well do what gets the job done the quickest. That would be individual leve's and not the triples. My only goal was for people to at least think about that. Triple leve's are great but they're actually extremely expensive and inefficient for exp gain compared to single leve's as long as you have the allowances....thats all.

    End of the day, each one to what makes them enjoy the game!
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  6. #46
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    Eh, gather everything and the gil reward, not having to recoup significant expenses, can be quite profitable.

    A triple leve offering over 600 gil can get you almost 2k gil per hand in, or over 5700 gil per leve allowance. That, of course, is offset by the cost for you to produce the items required, which (unfortunately) includes the rather exorbitant cost of shards. Gather everything though ... or, if you are lucky, get some of the needed stuff as a reward from the leve, and you can really come out ahead.

    That's also ignoring the fact that some rewards are well worth using Triple Leves for. Making Boarskin Chokers, using 3 skins per hand in, getting 11 back per hand in, overall gain of 24 skins per leve. You run the risk of that particular faucet shutting off that much sooner with single leves.
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    I'd just like to say that this has helped me immensely in getting WVR, CRP, and GSM to 50 so far. It's currently helping me get LTW to 50 (41 atm), and got CUL to 37.

    Thanks for this!

    People saying it's an expensive method, it's really not at all. I've actually made money while leveling doing these leves.
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  8. #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lecreuset View Post
    http://www.gameskinny.com/4rc10/ffxi...le-leves-guide

    Scroll down for individual guides of different disciplines
    I am finding the information there to be either out of date, or incorrect. In particular, the Lv40 Alchemist Leve "A Real Smooth Movie" doesn't exist, which gets me mad because I spent Lv37-40 making Lanolin just to find out at 40 there is no leve for them! >.<
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itseotle View Post
    I am finding the information there to be either out of date, or incorrect. In particular, the Lv40 Alchemist Leve "A Real Smooth Movie" doesn't exist, which gets me mad because I spent Lv37-40 making Lanolin just to find out at 40 there is no leve for them! >.<
    Are you sure you checked both Whitebrim and Observatorium? I found an error in one of their leves as well but it was just back in Limsa instead of start in Observatorium. The leves are there, just different location. :P
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    Hmm I use this wonderful site. I thought it was a popular well known site already. Guess not but thank you OP for caring. http://craftingasaservice.com
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