"Fix" Speed Runs? How about fixing the real issue?

[Boyahd]

Wow the entitlement here.... I am struggling to think of a game that actually gave something worht while for trash mobs... I mean the whole reason we called them trash mobs... was due to trashy loot. Are you guys serious? I mean I get that you were TOTALLY exploiting the game and they fixed it. They reduced repair costs. so go kill trash mobs. I do not get at all where your coming from

Vindictus, Mabinogi, EQOA, EQ2, Aion, Allods, GW2 and the list goes on.

It's not that you're struggling to think of a game, it's just that you don't give a rat's ass. It's an archaic system that many MMOs are starting to move away from. Stop defending bullshit with more bullshit.

[Zzyn]

Play as the game was intended to be played and you won't have these kinds of issues. The devs obviously intended people to fight their way through the instance, rather than use an aggro/enmity exploit to run to the boss. Frankly, I think the speedrunners are lucky they didn't get banned or suspended for using what is obviously an exploit/unintended play mechanics.

[Noata]

Vindictus, Mabinogi, EQOA, EQ2, Aion, Allods, GW2 and the list goes on.

It's not that you're struggling to think of a game, it's just that you don't give a rat's ass. It's an archaic system that many MMOs are starting to move away from. Stop defending bullshit with more bullshit.

MMO's are not moving away from it... I play most of those games, and your lying so bad right now.

EQ2 does not give stuff for trash mobs at all, maybe some Land L items from killing them, or a super rare chance to get a chest. I call your bluff.

GW2 you farm things like leather from them, and if its a person you can get a bag that basically opens into crafting supplies... I call you there too.

as for Vindictus, you totally get loot from bosses, its all boss driven, kill boss and collect x number of y component. the best you can get from the mobs is a small crafting material you may need. 1 of the hundreds you need. I call you there.



Your so full of BS at your list of games, I might have stayed quiet if you didn't call out games that I played hardcore in. Trash mobs are not profitable period.

EQ2: Cradle of Death Guild, I usually Play my SK who is on antonia bayle server. been playing since before DoF expansion
GW2: I main my Thief, Naoto Shirogane
Vindictus: I play on east side, on my Character Kanu, a scythe Evie.

[Jeht]

On a more mechanic based perspective. Trash provides a very real barrier to groups. You can't kill trash. You don't a shot at the boss.

And before you say "It's too easy", I see tons of 50s who raced to cap having to sit and wait for their buddies because "Pugs suck".

Should there be more rewards? Debatable. I get tired of games that just throw loot at you. I like my loot to be more meaningful than WoW's freebie epics, or even worse, completely upgrading gear every 3 months when a new raid tier is out.

It's people like everyone complaining here that don't get everything they want right away, that complain about lack of endgame because they consumed an MMO FAR faster than intended that destroy the forum community bickering because they aren't catered to. Calm down and play the game.

[Holyhunter]

On a more mechanic based perspective. Trash provides a very real barrier to groups. You can't kill trash. You don't a shot at the boss.

Are you really implying that killing the trash is harder than the speedruns? You could probably just auto attack the trash to death. At least speedruns require some miniscule amount of thought from the tank. If you can't make it past the trash in AK, then i don't know how you made it past the trash in sastasha.

[Jeht]

Are you really implying that killing the trash is harder than the speedruns? You could probably just auto attack the trash to death. At least speedruns require some miniscule amount of thought from the tank. If you can't make it past the trash in AK, then i don't know how you made it past the trash in sastasha.

Yes, let's compare current trash mechanics to exploited attempts to circumvent a not-intended way of running dungeons. Half the tanks I hear can't tank more than 1 mob because their threat is garbage. Sounds like they need to work on their tanking skills if they want a shot at a boss.

[Boyahd]

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It's funny how your post only strengthens my point. Here, let me point out how you tripped over your own self:

-maybe some Land L items from killing them
So you're admitting that trash mobs DO drop something. See, at least there's mobs in dungeons that CAN drop something of use in EQ2. FFXIV has NONE so far.

-GW2 you farm things like leather from them
Leather, among a vast number of different crafting materials, which are used to craft items that are pretty good for end-game. Once again, trash mobs still drop something of use compared to FFXIV.

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[Noata]

It's funny how your post only strengthens my point. Here, let me point out how you tripped over your own self:

-maybe some Land L items from killing them
So you're admitting that trash mobs DO drop something. See, at least there's mobs in dungeons that CAN drop something of use in EQ2. FFXIV has NONE so far.

-GW2 you farm things like leather from them
Leather, among a vast number of different crafting materials, which are used to craft items that are pretty good for end-game.

(cont.)

no tripping here, I explained how you get a limited reward from trash mobs, When you kill trash mobs in FFXIV you get something. so how is it not similar?
also repair bills are less, also, in those games, if you do really bad in the dungeon you could walk away with a giant negative balance, Dying and repairing gear in Vindictus or EQ2 could become costly and easily outweigh any money made from a dungeon. Once again, trash mobs still drop something of use compared to FFXIV.the difference is you easily replace the currency in these games so the negative cost is less apparent. same for GW2, a couple deaths and you lost any profit you would have made from a run unless you get a useful piece of loot.

its not broken so either play the game, or leave it. sorry you cant exploit dungeons anymore.

[Boyahd]

- the best you can get from the mobs is a small crafting material you may need
Now you're full of shit and it's obvious you haven't gotten to the lv 70-80 range in Vindictus. Sure bosses drop the meat of the materials you need for crafting, but what about the massive number of ores and leathers you need in conjunction? That's where the trash mobs come in, and thus, they STILL drop worthwhile items. It's funny because this is a Korean MMO known for being grindy and at least they got that part correct.

In short, no, it is you who is full of shit.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

Vindictus, Mabinogi, EQOA, EQ2, Aion, Allods, GW2 and the list goes on.

It's not that you're struggling to think of a game, it's just that you don't give a rat's ass. It's an archaic system that many MMOs are starting to move away from. Stop defending bullshit with more bullshit.

And here i need to say, that in fact, all the above listed games but Mabinogi are complete trash.
Not to mention, all they do is baby care.

Go to the dungeon, beat the minions, get to the boss, get the reward. That is the way things are, if you don`t like it, you can also go and keep playing Grind Wars 2.