History repeats itself: Time for the Great Archer Nerf of 2011

[Physic]

well looking at, i think peregrines point, is even if archer does the same damage, it takes much less risk in battle, because most monsters aoe and weaponskills is thier big danger, and most mobs ranged attacks are a lot weaker with shell ii id guess.

However, on the other side, i think most DD should come down to playstyle differences, you pick a certain DD because you enjoy thier style of play, which should feel unique.

Right now, i think Archer needs to be as good at DD, or close to it, because they dont have any of thier situational arrows that they were supposed to have

[Peregrine]

Nope. Archers can not tank the rank 50 NMs.

Sure can. Spread em out. When stomp only hits one at a time, and their nearby archers can land cures on them until the buffalo goes to another player, they absolutely could. And probably in record time. Only group that could beat that record of archerx8 on great buffalo would be thaumaturgex8.

You say you can't. The people who play archer for what it is know for a fact they can and can't WAIT for content to get so hard that they start being lavished attention on again.

2003 is back, baby! Ranger-get! Who wants a ranger??? Who wants some SP! Who wants some epic gear? Yeahhh you do. Yes you do. Yes you do. Rangerrrrrr....I'm awesome!

[Xzen]

I think mrd need a small buff to DD and LNC need a big buff to DD.

[Xzen]

Sure can. Spread em out. When stomp only hits one at a time, and their nearby archers can land cures on them until the buffalo goes to another player, they absolutely could. And probably in record time. Only group that could beat that record of archerx8 on great buffalo would be thaumaturgex8.

You say you can't. The people who play archer for what it is know for a fact they can and can't WAIT for content to get so hard that they start being lavished attention on again.

2003 is back, baby! Ranger-get! Who wants a ranger??? Who wants some SP! Who wants some epic gear? Yeahhh you do. Yes you do. Yes you do. Rangerrrrrr....I'm awesome!

Nope. Onrush has a pretty good chance of taking out an Archer. Especially if they took a regular hit or 2.

[Peregrine]

well looking at, i think peregrines point, is even if archer does the same damage, it takes much less risk in battle, because most monsters aoe and weaponskills is thier big danger, and most mobs ranged attacks are a lot weaker with shell ii id guess.

However, on the other side, i think most DD should come down to playstyle differences, you pick a certain DD because you enjoy thier style of play, which should feel unique.

Right now, i think Archer needs to be as good at DD, or close to it, because they dont have any of thier situational arrows that they were supposed to have

They have dispel, man. What more do you want? Dispel was the sole reason some jobs got invites in XI for years. Some guy thought he'd be cool to come in here and posture about how awesome bloodletter is. Okay, add that to the list heralding the only forseeable outcome in this encounter. With scour.

Who decided to give archers dispel? Bueller? Bueller? Is anyone paying attention?


In a parse, where your meleers are doing 18% damage, the archer should be doing 14% damage. That's a fair price.

[Timotheus]

They have dispel, man. What more do you want? Dispel was the sole reason some jobs got invites in XI for years. Some guy thought he'd be cool to come in here and posture about how awesome bloodletter is. Okay, add that to the list heralding the only forseeable outcome in this encounter. With scour.

Who decided to give archers dispel? Bueller? Bueller? Is anyone paying attention?

just give up i guess?

[Aion]

Sure can. Spread em out. When stomp only hits one at a time, and their nearby archers can land cures on them until the buffalo goes to another player, they absolutely could. And probably in record time. Only group that could beat that record of archerx8 on great buffalo would be thaumaturgex8.

You say you can't. The people who play archer for what it is know for a fact they can and can't WAIT for content to get so hard that they start being lavished attention on again.

2003 is back, baby! Ranger-get! Who wants a ranger??? Who wants some SP! Who wants some epic gear? Yeahhh you do. Yes you do. Yes you do. Rangerrrrrr....I'm awesome!

so...people already do that? or just theory?

the problem is on the enemy, not on design of ARC

about playstyle using arrow, yes I think it should be emphasized...

[RexSkyborn]

Third time this argument is made, let's see how it ends this time.
Who needs a tank when you have 6 archers with provoke and instant enmity reduction?
Answer: No one. Archer can tank fine. With archers.

You all persist in acting like this hasn't happened before. Utsusemi wasn't what made rangerburns work. It was the rangers that killed everything before it could even attack a single character more than twice.

Archers can tank what archers would destroy. Easily.

instant except for the huge recast part.
this thread is like trying to teach a cat to roll over.

[Corrderio]

Keep telling yourself that buddy.

I'm a tad curious, when you mention Doomspike care to share what you use with it? I'm not a fan of the abilities that take up all my TP since they seem inaccurate xD

EDIT: Wow this got a lot of pages fast.

[DoctorMog]

Made you a video.

Same situation, same mobs, same gear, 48 PUG instead of 50 Archer.

Second Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swRsHpF3BIc (repeating the example in video 1 on my 48 PUG)


48 PUG: 970
Archer: 1220

Difference: 250

Would a better weapon and 2 levels give me 250 more damage? I would bet that it would be close.

Conclusion: Find something other than damage to determine why Archer is OP. Damage output is not as off the wall as it is given credit for.

The original video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LJTrQoGoUc