The change effecting speed runs and what SE can do more to help player base.

[Kirea]

Let's avoid bringing wow raids into this first of all, however i have to agree on a couple things at least give the level 50 dungeon mobs a drop of their own, give them a higher chance to drop HQ and normal, it's not much but anything is better than grinding away for absolutely no reward. Also make bloody items a roll, sick of seeing greedy players getting the bloody items another class needs :x for my scholar i've seen 8 grimoire bindings drop and no one was willing to toss one over, this has happened to DD's and tanks as well :x which is well entirely unfair xD especially when you have enough gil issues.

[Onolock]

Part 1 of 2

First a few things are very wrong with your statements. Molten Core was not faceroll when it was released and people were progressing with gear from UBRS or Strat and other high level dungeons. It took guilds many months to clear MC.

Second is the fact that most people have pretty bad gear/jewelry when entering AK and you NEED that 60 gear in order to progress to be able to make fights like Garuda and Titan much more manageable. Considering most of the AOE's whether you dodge them or not hit anywhere from 2500-2800 which is most of your life in gear if you don't do AK to gear up a little. Coil is even less forgiving even with full Darklight.

[Onolock]

Part 2 of 2

SE has the same mentality WoW did in vanilla only you can buy Darklight now which is way better than raiding with 39 other people and hoping loot you need drops and then further winning said item against your competition. People are wayy too entitles to think they should have to do almost nothing for gear these days or even just hitting 50. You're lucky they even give you artifact gear when leveling.

[civilpaw]

Part 1 of 2

First a few things are very wrong with your statements. Molten Core was not faceroll when it was released and people were progressing with gear from UBRS or Strat and other high level dungeons. It took guilds many months to clear MC.

I feel bad for them. MC was a faceroll.

Second is the fact that most people have pretty bad gear/jewelry when entering AK and you NEED that 60 gear in order to progress to be able to make fights like Garuda and Titan much more manageable. Considering most of the AOE's whether you dodge them or not hit anywhere from 2500-2800 which is most of your life in gear if you don't do AK to gear up a little. Coil is even less forgiving even with full Darklight.

The Darklight should be what drops in AK and WP. That was my argument.

[Ariyn]

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Honestly, there is no point to do WP after the first run. Just spam Ifrit till you get the wep then chain run AK for your gear and tomes. WP is a waste of a dungeon in it's current state and the only reason to run it is to pray for the shield drops since it's the only thing that is useful

[civilpaw]

Part 2 of 2

SE has the same mentality WoW did in vanilla only you can buy Darklight now which is way better than raiding with 39 other people and hoping loot you need drops and then further winning said item against your competition. People are wayy too entitles to think they should have to do almost nothing for gear these days or even just hitting 50. You're lucky they even give you artifact gear when leveling.

Yes, I went in to MC with UBRS, Strat and Scholo gear too. But thats the thing. I ran dungeons, got drops, and then went in to raids. I didnt run those dungeons 60+ times in order to get said gear with tokens.

[MrFoxx]

I wanted to make a post so that we could talk without starting a flame war between people who wanted this change and people very upset it. Us yelling at each other is not going to help the community as a whole. It does not help the game that i assume most of us deeply enjoy. i will only make one point to each side.

For the people upset over speed running being gone, what did you expect SE to do? Skipping content was never going to be something a dev was going to be cool with. I would plea with you for patience. If this and the entire relaunch in general has taught us anything its that the staff is watching the game and trying to make it better always.

I wanted Square enix to give trash mobs some god damnned drops.

Trash Mobs give
-no loot
-no money
- More repairs

And for the coin, 2800 gil TOTAL for the entire party. Seriously, the hell is wrong with you devs?

And you want me to do this 65 times?

[Laiyenu]

Yes, I went in to MC with UBRS, Strat and Scholo gear too. But thats the thing. I ran dungeons, got drops, and then went in to raids. I didnt run those dungeons 60+ times in order to get said gear with tokens.

Agree'ing hardcore right here.

On a sidenote, WHY DOES NOTHING DROP MONEY. and if they do 1 gil? lol usrs?

[Meleoron]

I wanted Square enix to give trash mobs some god damnned drops.

Trash Mobs give
-no loot
-no money
- More repairs

And for the coin, 2800 gil TOTAL for the entire party. Seriously, the hell is wrong with you devs?

And you want me to do this 65 times?

i don't want ya to do anything man i was just pointing that that a dev was not going to let people skip content for long. Other ways need to set to get the tomes however. I think that is beyond clear. like i said i just want this thread to be about throwing those ideas out there. lets build and not rip down.

[FinagleABagel]

I'm one of the people who are extremely frustrated by the new change. Looking just at combat (noting there are other worthwhile features in the game), the game just got very very boring. Yes, speed runs weren't the most riveting thing but they at least got you through the boring part faster. You basically need some AF1 gear to even have a remote chance against Titan HM. All this did was turn in a few day grind into a few week grind.

I've lost a huge amount of interest in progression because I'm not interested in running an extremely simple dungeon (AK) ad nauseum to obtain the throughput I need to progress. The game wasn't hard enough previously. Now it's easy and boring. If I wanted that I would be in a F2P game.

Now I'll just run Castrum until I just give up and cancel my sub. Great going guys. Are we going to see some content on this side of the game before winter?